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Without a cam but buying heads a easy 7 to 8 grand

http://www.summitracing.com/parts/edl-35293
holley hp efi kit, 1700.00+pump/injectors
the injectors would come with the lsx used engine,
the pump. isn't much.. or the msII ecu and the lsx parts it be under 4-500

pace is selling complete gto ls and vette lsII for under 3k

my 489 is at 5500.oo without heads/intake or machining.. tho. it's all new parts but the block.
used bbc parts don't show up much around here..

if I was better with efi there be a 6.2 sitting beside my SS as they are 6k new crate 6.2 427hp and even less out of a wrecked f body

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Got a friend who is well know for his BBC's in the race community.......
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McCarthy Performance in Kawkawlin | McCarthy Performance (989) 667-4071 # , Kawkawlin, MI 48631 | <Automotive/Repair & Service/Engine> - Yahoo! US Local

Who I have known for about 5 yrs.So I pretty much decided I'm going to go the BBC route.Waiting to see what he has in the shop.Steel headed and am sure I can overcome the 150lb added wt with a BBC engine's output.

Me-lost 20lbs in the last three months to get into race wt.Hoping for under 200lbs for the first time in forty yrs.
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Been wanting to meet Pat face on face for yrs.So to go to get something from him in a road trip isn't any problem at all.Actually could arrange that while attending one of the auctions we go to.
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Want to add that Pat's talent is on the same level as a Sonny Bryant or a BME or LPE.We even through have the ability to build our own farmed out our 565(which at one turned into a mistake,but we learned from)and our 632 to builders for that reason.
So guys do travel to builders like that.A trip to Pat is well worth it.I don't normally recommend engines builders.

Still looking to have good priced 454's setting in the shop as parts/back-ups.I do think I would want to build my own Patrick Budd engine build engine setting in the shop as a back-up.Depends if I can find a decent deal on a good 454's.
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are we talking about Pat Mussi?
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Want to add that Pat's talent is on the same level as a Sonny Bryant or a BME or LPE.We even through have the ability to build our own farmed out our 565(which at one turned into a mistake,but we learned from)and our 632 to builders for that reason.
So guys do travel to builders like that.A trip to Pat is well worth it.I don't normally recommend engines builders.

Still looking to have good priced 454's setting in the shop as parts/back-ups.I do think I would want to build my own Patrick Budd engine build engine setting in the shop as a back-up.Depends if I can find a decent deal on a good 454's.
thats great and all, but you are building a iron headed bbc to go 12's
your talking incircles about a 565? and "our" 632..
no idea what thats about.. but you are building a basic bbc to go 12's a 468 will be more than enough. and wouldn't even be breathing heavy..
isn't scott sharoff in your neck of the woods?
I've always had good luck with his stuff.. now if I build my 489 down the road, I'll have reids Engine Rebuilding-Automotive Machine Shop-MA,NH,RI,CT,VT,ME

machine it.. the 30 over and deck, and square .
as there will be no reason to go that far for a basic machining, unless you are going that far for cheap parts.. and I don't like what thats normally about..
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are we talking about Pat Mussi?
Nope
McCarthy Performance / Racing Engines to 632+ Cubes
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No disrepect intended, but your talking about hunting for BBC parts, your talking about some guy that builds 632ci race motors etc etc
First, do you not work/own/partner at some form of shop that does this for a living? That's what i recall from our previous arguments/discussions
And second.....you know its just a G-Body running high 12's.....
You could do that with the mildest of mild sbc's in that platform....especially given that you said its going to be a track only car with some weight savings done to it....
I'm just confused at this entire thread......
But maybe that's just me
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thats great and all, but you are building a iron headed bbc to go 12's
your talking incircles about a 565? and "our" 632..
no idea what thats about.. but you are building a basic bbc to go 12's a 468 will be more than enough. and wouldn't even be breathing heavy..
isn't scott sharoff in your neck of the woods?
I've always had good luck with his stuff.. now if I build my 489 down the road, I'll have reids Engine Rebuilding-Automotive Machine Shop-MA,NH,RI,CT,VT,ME

machine it.. the 30 over and deck, and square .
as there will be no reason to go that far for a basic machining, unless you are going that far for cheap parts.. and I don't like what thats normally about..
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No disrepect intended, but your talking about hunting for BBC parts, your talking about some guy that builds 632ci race motors etc etc
First, do you not work/own/partner at some form of shop that does this for a living? That's what i recall from our previous arguments/discussions
And second.....you know its just a G-Body running high 12's.....
You could do that with the mildest of mild sbc's in that platform....especially given that you said its going to be a track only car with some weight savings done to it....
I'm just confused at this entire thread......
But maybe that's just me
Sorry for the confusion guys.The 565 and 632 is the last three seasons of engines in our RED.That was apart of a running 40 yr partnership in a parts/race business.One that for the race part I'm retiring from.Venturing out again on my own with this Malibu as a retirement ride to go back sort of to my roots and do laps and have fun.

The part about Pat's engines is a insurance marker to no matter what cover any number I choose.N.H.R.A.'s number for sportsman is 12 seconds,but I.H.R.A. is 11.50.Every car I have been involved in for the whole time of the partnership was built to run well under the number we wanted,never running them out the back door.It is a tactic that has served us very well in many,many,9.90 cars.Go figure a 60' time of 1.27 to 1.25 in some of the 9.90 cars.
Same case on the RED.With it on Alky on the bottle for only .0002 pulled a 4.56@150mph in the 1/8th on the 632.

We buy prepackaged deals on the RED for engines and with our parts/SBC 9.90 or 8.90 builds it keeps us fairly busy along with weekly maintenance and the required tunes needed for the RED.Truthfully a bulk of our business came out of racing the 9.90 cars.The RED is a flag ship with a name on it.The current RED is 100lbs lighter and is a smaller BBC which has more hp,but we aren't tell any details about that.

Flipping selling cars is still strong.In the middle of the winter at one time we had in inventory 5 rolling RED's and sold all 5 to get the current one.Still getting requests to build Jr dragster engines too.
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so the only reason you are going that far out is because of the uddy system ,he'll most likely build it for you for less than you could anywhere else. thats all you had to say. not the John Force plugs..lol

I still don't see why you don't bolt it together .but whatever
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Naaaa.Most of the time Pat is busy.He don't need my help at all.
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Played with some Wallace numbers tonight.@ 3500lbs just short of 500hp will get me where I should be with this car.
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Played with some Wallace numbers tonight.@ 3500lbs just short of 500hp will get me where I should be with this car.
as seen as you wanted a low mantiance engine, shouldn't you be looking at torque curves to get you there..
hp is rpmxtorque and I can make 500hp in a 4 banger, it's not getting you high 11's
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