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Old 08-13-2009, 01:33 PM
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170 to 302 conversion

im working on 63 falcon and need to get the conversion ,were can i get it what got to be changed .
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im working on 63 falcon and need to get the conversion ,were can i get it what got to be changed .
Ummm, good idea!


Actually simpler than you think, the 1963 Falcon in the Futura model listed the 260 V8 as an option. This is one in the SBF Windsor series of engines starting at 221 inches in 62, going to 260 in 63, 289, in 64 and 302 in 68. Externally these engines are identical in so far as mount locations, coolant plumbing, fuel pump, starter and oil filter locations, and exhaust manifolds. To further make your life pleasant the 64, 65, and 66 mustang are built on the same platform as the 63 Falcon. So all the stuff that fits the Gen 1 Mustang will also fit the Falcon which means suspension and brakes, transmissions, the beefier V8 rear axle, driveshaft cross members and engine mounts. The big difference between these engines is in 1964 a running change was made mid year to the number and pattern of the bellhousing to block bolts. So it isn't easy to mix engine and transmission years across that divide.

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at minimum you will need frame stands, motor mounts, headers or manifolds that will fit the car, a 302 bellhousing. I would reccomend a v8 tranny because even with a stock 302 I doubt the 170's trans would last long. I am not sure what else yet. Is the car an auto or manual tranny
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Thanks for the insight. Are you sure on this stuff though? I'm not a major car dude but I'd really like to put in the work on my old 1963. Its a futura convertible 170 six, ford-o-matic 2 speed in column.

Ive got an uncle who has a 260 v8 hand me down available in 3 weeks, but some have told me it wont fit, you say it should... how can i be sure?

also, i know that 2 speed tranny wont cut it... its the limitation on the car already with the tiny 170 in it...

what would you suggest as far as upgrading the transmission on a 63 body? c4? c5? any advice on how much work/$$ that might cost?

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Ummm, good idea!


Actually simpler than you think, the 1963 Falcon in the Futura model listed the 260 V8 as an option. This is one in the SBF Windsor series of engines starting at 221 inches in 62, going to 260 in 63, 289, in 64 and 302 in 68. Externally these engines are identical in so far as mount locations, coolant plumbing, fuel pump, starter and oil filter locations, and exhaust manifolds. To further make your life pleasant the 64, 65, and 66 mustang are built on the same platform as the 63 Falcon. So all the stuff that fits the Gen 1 Mustang will also fit the Falcon which means suspension and brakes, transmissions, the beefier V8 rear axle, driveshaft cross members and engine mounts. The big difference between these engines is in 1964 a running change was made mid year to the number and pattern of the bellhousing to block bolts. So it isn't easy to mix engine and transmission years across that divide.

Bogie
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Thanks for the insight. Are you sure on this stuff though? I'm not a major car dude but I'd really like to put in the work on my old 1963. Its a futura convertible 170 six, ford-o-matic 2 speed in column.

Ive got an uncle who has a 260 v8 hand me down available in 3 weeks, but some have told me it wont fit, you say it should... how can i be sure?

also, i know that 2 speed tranny wont cut it... its the limitation on the car already with the tiny 170 in it...

what would you suggest as far as upgrading the transmission on a 63 body? c4? c5? any advice on how much work/$$ that might cost?

thanks.
It will fit. Back in the day I had a 63 Comet Convert with a 260 and a four spd. Then I had a 64 Falcon 260 with 3 speed on the column. Both came from the factory that way. The trans you have will not fit.

I swapped out a 67 Mustang 200 for a 302. Man it was a lot easier back then
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'63 Falcons had the 260 optional. to bolt it in you need frame stands or adaptors. v8 springs, and the rest of the suspension stuff could be sourced from a Granada, and the rear end from a Mustang/ Maverick with a 8cyl.. trans won't fit the 170, but the crossmember will work for a later automatic..
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Bogie-

Thanks for the insight. Are you sure on this stuff though? I'm not a major car dude but I'd really like to put in the work on my old 1963. Its a futura convertible 170 six, ford-o-matic 2 speed in column.

Ive got an uncle who has a 260 v8 hand me down available in 3 weeks, but some have told me it wont fit, you say it should... how can i be sure?

also, i know that 2 speed tranny wont cut it... its the limitation on the car already with the tiny 170 in it...

what would you suggest as far as upgrading the transmission on a 63 body? c4? c5? any advice on how much work/$$ that might cost?

thanks.
As has been said the 260 was a regular Falcon production option in 1963. The problem you will have with the 260 is it has the old bell housing bolt pattern good thru the end of 1964 model year production, later transmissions like the C4 will not fit without some adaption. The Falcon 6 cylinder bolt pattern is unique unto itself so the Fordo you have won't fit and doesn't have any strength anyway. The Falcon 260 also came with a fully syncho 3 speed and a 4 speed. Both used the old Ford dog ear pattern to the bell housing and the bell housing uses the original 221/260 bell housing to block pattern. Lots of guys swap the GM TH200 or TH350 behind the Ford V8 because of their much greater availability, this is a good solution to the transmission problem.

Mustangs and Fairlanes of the era share bolt on basic components like engine mounts, engine/tranny/rear axle, radiator, brakes , springs and window glass so they can be used as a parts source.

Bogie
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Keep my 3 on the tree?

Will I have to abandon my column shift if I do a 170 to 260 conversion, or is there any way to keep it stock? Automatic or manual?
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Will I have to abandon my column shift if I do a 170 to 260 conversion, or is there any way to keep it stock? Automatic or manual?
You should start your own thread, rather than hijack this one, it gets confusing when someone other than the OP posts in his thread.

Try posting a thread in the transmission forum.
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gee. thanks.

Great help there, buddy!

This is the same topic: 170 to 302 conversion.
Right?
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this post started a few years ago but info is still good
Years ago I had a 63 v8 sprint that got ran into by a snow plow. I sold ALL the front suspension to a friend that was doing a6 to v8 swap, He worked for ford and said he needed every suspension part
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These guys have a ton of stuff for 50's and 60's Ford products. Click on the menu on the left side of the page "1962-1965 Comet and Falcon".
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Try falconparts.com .....
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gee. thanks.

Great help there, buddy!

This is the same topic: 170 to 302 conversion.
Right?
The problem is when a poster other than the original OP jumps in and posts up questions, it's confusing who replies are being directed to. Too many times threads get pulled off in another direction, leaving the OP out of the loop. No need for smart remarks. You're new here, you'll catch on.
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