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Old 06-20-2011, 05:49 AM
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1940 ford 5 window coupe

someone approched my brother about an even swap: his 1969 z28 for the above mentioned all steel hot rod. I know lots about the 69 z but very little about the ford. I'd like to hear members opionions about weather this is a good swap or not. Both car are very nice show winners. It's just my brother is in his 40's and I was always of the motto of go with what you know( ie if you grew up with muscle cars then that's what you should be messing around with) I know that selling a hot hod can be challenging and you may never get all the money back while a properly done rare muscle car is a better return than the stock market, at least now a days.
drive what you know and enjoy but eventually stuff has to be sold.

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Kinda like asking "how long is a piece of string", you know? Either can be worth a bunch if done right- or even if stock (possibly much more if stock).

Me personally? I don't care for the 5-window, but even if I did it would be impossible to say what to do w/o thoroughly going through both w/a fine tooth comb.

Are they original? Is the Camaro documented? Well optioned? Numbers matching? Is the Ford all steel? Original? What mods to the drivetrain, suspension, interior, body, etc? How much documentation for the work done and parts used?

There are literally hundreds of variables.
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Pictures would be a big help too.


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There are so many variables in your question, thus very difficult to provide a good answer. Cobalt raised immediate issues that need to be examined. Basically, you have to compare apples with apples and oranges with oranges and then decide if you want the apple or the orange. First, you have to establish what each vehicle represents. A muscle car has to be a true collector to command the big bucks that you hinted around. Clones or nice job of collecting the right parts, combined with skillful body and paint work and mechanical savvy makes for a nice car, but will not command any more dollars than the same applications into a desirable street rod. Another thing to consider is the culture of the street rodder and the muscle car enthusiasts. You should consider the size of the market and the ability to pay the bucks you expect to see in either case.

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Does your brother even want a 40 Ford?
Only he and the other owner can determine if it's a good trade for them.
Cars don't have any real value until they're sold. They're only worth what someone else is willing to give you for it.
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I too, personally would not do this trade. However I have to look at this car as my brother is out of state. My brother likes all cars, he also looks at the resale of these things as he sometimes has the attention span of a 5 year old.
He does very well by buying these things at a good price and then selling or swaping for something later on. So resale is a consideration.
Also the z28 is a 68 not a 69 so it is a bit less disireable than the 69
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I too, personally would not do this trade. However I have to look at this car as my brother is out of state. My brother likes all cars, he also looks at the resale of these things as he sometimes has the attention span of a 5 year old.
He does very well by buying these things at a good price and then selling or swaping for something later on. So resale is a consideration.
Also the z28 is a 68 not a 69 so it is a bit less disireable than the 69
Both cars appear to be very nice at first glance
BUT as mentioned before there are so many variables to take into consideration...
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Kinda like asking "how long is a piece of string", you know? Either can be worth a bunch if done right- or even if stock (possibly much more if stock).

Me personally? I don't care for the 5-window, but even if I did it would be impossible to say what to do w/o thoroughly going through both w/a fine tooth comb.

Are they original? Is the Camaro documented? Well optioned? Numbers matching? Is the Ford all steel? Original? What mods to the drivetrain, suspension, interior, body, etc? How much documentation for the work done and parts used?

There are literally hundreds of variables.
Cobalt, You ask how long is a piece of string? The correct answer to that is equal to each end from the middle. That is a question on a college exam.
Not to be a smart a-- , but that would mean both cars are equal, which I don't believe you wanted to say.

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How much of the original Z if it is, is still there? Engine, trans, rear, etc.
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Cobalt, You ask how long is a piece of string? The correct answer to that is equal to each end from the middle. That is a question on a college exam.
Not to be a smart a-- , but that would mean both cars are equal, which I don't believe you wanted to say.

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And not to be a SA- that isn't an answer- it's a formula to obtain an answer.

The point is, is there's insufficient information to give a correct answer. As I'm pretty sure (almost) everyone understood.
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Not that it really matters, but that Camaro is a 68....not a 69
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A nice 40 Ford coupe (they are ALL "Five window" experienced rodders would never say "Five window when referring to them) COULD be worth the same as a 69 Z but not a whole lot of them I don't believe. I am not up on the values of these cars right now but a REAL Z is worth big bucks! My buddy sold a basket case in need of a restoration for $22K years ago, they are worth BIG BUCKS.

That 40, it REALLY can vary depending on how it was built. It could vary MANY tens of thousands of dollars by how it was built. An original Z car with matching numbers isn't going to vary much in value unless it is in very poor condition. The 40 could be in super nice condition and very wildly by how it was built. What drive train, what seats and upholstery, what suspension, all of this could throw the value off by tens of thousands of dollars. If it has been all cobbled up by putting some late model frame under it, it could be darn near worthless. It REALLY depends on how it was built.

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The car is listed on Ebay. Personally I hate the headlights and the modifications done, 40 Fords and most of Henry's cars from the early 30's to the late 40's are dang near perfect out of the box. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...d=243554224690

I would prefer the 40 all the same, the trade would be more of a preference thing, what do you like best? The car market is in the crapper, but it seems like the 40 Ford is one of those cars that remains steady in popularity, especially on the east coast where they were used for moon-shining. 40 k for the 40 and the reserve has not been met.
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That's one of the plusses to Hotrodding- you can make it how you like it:



Personally, my favorite '40 Ford IS a "3-window", from the factory:

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