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As usual, I think you're spot on. We must be the same age. Anyway, I recall the 7 main-bearing sixs were pretty durable motors. And that the 260 inch v8 option in gen one falcons were only available in the sprint model. I don't recall ever seeing a wagon or four-door with a V8. On the other hand, in '64, Ford offered the 289, as I recall, in the falcon sprint, and you could get it in about any falcon you chose. I had a friend who had one, a hardtop with a four speed, but not a sprint. Or was that '65? We had lots of fun with that little car.

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I agree too that if you use a six that you get a 200 or maybe even a 250. If you find a local Mustang club then you could probably find a 200. Mustang guys love to pull out the six and put a V8 in its place. If you go with a V8 then I'd use a 302 because they're easy to find and cheap. If you do put a V8 in it you'll need to change the rear too. A six rear won't hold up under a V8 unless you take it really easy. The 8" rear would be plenty good for a mildly built 302.

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If you wanted something "different" and economical how about a Ford V-6 and a 5 speed?
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I don't know a lot about Ford sixes but a friend of mine bought a 1964 Falcon with 47,000 miles ,6cyl. auto. It runs well. He pulled it out to put in a hi perf 289, so if anybody knows what size it is and if he wants a 6, I could hook them up. But I agree the 302 would be the better choice.
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If you wanted something "different" and economical how about a Ford V-6 and a 5 speed?
You know, that's a pretty good idea, both the Vulcan and the Duratec have been out there long enough that you should be able to get some OK used ones out of wrecks........
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Well I just picked up a 1967 mustang Inline 6 200. Has 76k original miles on it. I will keep you posted and thanks for all the support and ideas.
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Stock engine would have been the old Lima I6, probably 144 or 170 cubes. Would be hard to find one now, 200/250 cid engines would be same with taller deck.

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Externally the 200 is identical to the 144/170 engine. It is only the 250 that was taller..to accomodate the longer stroke. Any of the early model Mustang/Falcons/Fairlanes/Comets/Mavericks,etc. will have parts to swap right on. You mught get a better deal by purchasing a wrecked or rusted complete vehicle and swap the entire drivetrain. Any upgrade will require brake/suspension improvements as well.
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Well I just picked up a 1967 mustang Inline 6 200. Has 76k original miles on it. I will keep you posted and thanks for all the support and ideas.
Great find!
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I agree a SB v8 would be great, but must disagree that the 144/170 were bad motors. In a hi-perf sense, not much could be done with them, but they were a dependable engine for those cars. A 200/250 later model 6 would be an excellent upgrade in my opinion.
200-250 will also be much cheaper than a 144-170.. they were made from '64- '83 and found in many models along the years ( Mavericks, Falcons, Mustangs, Granadas, Fairmonts, Zephyrs and a couple models of Linclion in the later years ).. and the aftermarket is growing for them. you still have to pay attention and research still, to build them correctly, but it's possible, it takes mixing and matching parts from diffrent engines but it can be done.
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Externally the 200 is identical to the 144/170 engine. It is only the 250 that was taller..to accomodate the longer stroke. Any of the early model Mustang/Falcons/Fairlanes/Comets/Mavericks,etc. will have parts to swap right on. You mught get a better deal by purchasing a wrecked or rusted complete vehicle and swap the entire drivetrain. Any upgrade will require brake/suspension improvements as well.
the deck height on the 144-200 is just over 9" and it's just over 10" with the 250
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Well I just picked up a 1967 mustang Inline 6 200. Has 76k original miles on it. I will keep you posted and thanks for all the support and ideas.
now you'll need a '65 up 170-200 transmission.. the bolt pattern is smaller than a standard SBF pattern, so you at least need the bell housing.. if automatic, you need the flex plate and the toothed converter ( starter turns converter instead of flex plate on 170's, and 200's).. then you could use a V8 C4 transmission if you wanted.
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[QUOTE=matt167]now you'll need a '65 up 170-200 transmission.. the bolt pattern is smaller than a standard SBF pattern, QUOTE]

That's one of the advantages of a 250, they use a standard SB type bellhousing. It was probably a manufacturing decision to minimize costs.
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now you'll need a '65 up 170-200 transmission.. the bolt pattern is smaller than a standard SBF pattern, QUOTE]

That's one of the advantages of a 250, they use a standard SB type bellhousing. It was probably a manufacturing decision to minimize costs.
'80-'83 EO-BB blocks had 2/3's of a SBF bolt pattern which a standard SBF trans would work, but 1 bolt dosn't have a place to go.
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If you want to put together a car that has a little bit of zip and yet will get some great gas mileage, I would recommend getting ahold of one of the 250 cubic inch Ford I-6's from the late 60's Mustangs Granadas, and Mavericks. They are a torquey little engine, and they do respond well to some minor hopups. Its not hard to get one to put out 200 hp at the flywheel (approx. 150-160 at rear) with little effort. The ideal engines would be the 68-70 versions with the 9.5:1 compression. The intake being cast integral with the head makes head work a bit of a hassle, but unless you plan to wind it into the ionesphere in RPM, thats not really a major problem. I would recommend a set of headers, going into a large, 2 3/4 inch single exhaust, and a small cam, 10-15 degrees larger than stock. There is also a kit out that allows the placement of the 255/265 CFM Holley/Webber 2 bbl carb off of the 2.3 Pinto 4 cylinder on these engines, and its a vast improvement over the stock single throat. Another place to look for that street grunt in the basement to 5000 rpm range is in the ingnition system. These engines are plentiful and should be pretty cheap, as they arent all that super popular. The nice thing is that it will make a little sleeper since you cant tell a 250 from the origional 144 or 170 that the Falcon came with, unless you are a Ford Engine Officianado.
Yes, putting a SBF in it would be more umph but if you want to maintain an origional looking vehicle it would be the way to go.
The 250 is an Undersquare engine, with a 3.625" bore and 3.98" stroke, so you wont be turning it super high anyway, without a lot of work.
I had one in a 69 Mustang that would easily turn over 7000 RPM, but then you wouldnt want to do all the work on your head that I had to do to mine.
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If you want to put together a car that has a little bit of zip and yet will get some great gas mileage, I would recommend getting ahold of one of the 250 cubic inch Ford I-6's from the late 60's Mustangs Granadas, and Mavericks. They are a torquey little engine, and they do respond well to some minor hopups. Its not hard to get one to put out 200 hp at the flywheel (approx. 150-160 at rear) with little effort. The ideal engines would be the 68-70 versions with the 9.5:1 compression. The intake being cast integral with the head makes head work a bit of a hassle, but unless you plan to wind it into the ionesphere in RPM, thats not really a major problem. I would recommend a set of headers, going into a large, 2 3/4 inch single exhaust, and a small cam, 10-15 degrees larger than stock. There is also a kit out that allows the placement of the 255/265 CFM Holley/Webber 2 bbl carb off of the 2.3 Pinto 4 cylinder on these engines, and its a vast improvement over the stock single throat. Another place to look for that street grunt in the basement to 5000 rpm range is in the ingnition system. These engines are plentiful and should be pretty cheap, as they arent all that super popular. The nice thing is that it will make a little sleeper since you cant tell a 250 from the origional 144 or 170 that the Falcon came with, unless you are a Ford Engine Officianado.
Yes, putting a SBF in it would be more umph but if you want to maintain an origional looking vehicle it would be the way to go.
The 250 is an Undersquare engine, with a 3.625" bore and 3.98" stroke, so you wont be turning it super high anyway, without a lot of work.
I had one in a 69 Mustang that would easily turn over 7000 RPM, but then you wouldnt want to do all the work on your head that I had to do to mine.
JMHO
Max, long time no post! How are you? We miss good Ford knowledge on here....
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