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Old 12-06-2011, 08:22 AM
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A '67 Cougar would have had a 289 not a 302 AFAIK, it wasn't until '68 that it could be had w/a 302. The E version 427 was in '68, I believe. Or not. Ford parts interchange is not my forté that's for sure.

EDIT- There is an aftermarket bellhousing to mate a C4 w/the FE, but it's expensive and the trans mods needed for it to hold up wouldn't be cheap either. But it can be done it there's enough need. I figure the C6 would be the better option, what's a few hundred more pounds and some added power loss of a C6 to a big ol' Ford w/an FE in it, right?

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I Was at Ford when we built 67 cougars and I don't remember any differences in the engine compartment. The only differences in specifications for different engines in those years was more welds added and the Mustang Hi performance engines used thicker outer rocker panels speced for convertibles. I remember big blocks exhaust manifolds scratching the paint off the firewall when they dropped the engine in.
Being that you actually worked at Ford, you may know more than I do. I do know for a fact that my father had a 68 Cougar (Dan Gurney Special) which came with a 302 cu inch. engine. There was no way we could get a big block 390 in that engine compartment as the 302 was already a tight fit. A friend of mine had a 67 GT Cougar which came with the 390 and it had plenty of room from the engine to the shock towers. Same thing happened with my friends 67 Mustang. The car came with a 390 in it and it was much bigger than my other friends 68 Mustang which came with the SBF. I know my first car was a 66 Mustang. We tried to put a 351W in. It went in, but had to use a shoehorn to get it to fit. I even had to use the cast iron exhaust unless I wanted to spend mega money on customized built headers. As a matter of fact, we even had to grind a little off the exhaust manifolds on the drivers side to get a 1/4" clearance for engine movement. That was a downfall with Ford cars in the 60's. You were pretty limited to having a SBF unless you did some serious shock tower modifications or the car came with a big block. Lots of guys with the BBF in the 66 Mustangs are now running Mustang II front ends and shaving the shock tower completely.

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BTW- I stand corrected.. Ford did manufacture a small block C6 transmissions which came in some cars and trucks ( don't know the models). They are rare, and if you find one, get ready to pay the big bucks.
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There were also rumored to be C4/FE transmissions (something about a fire at the C6 plant or some such), but I believe that was debunked.

BTW if the rare C6/SBF was in reference to my saying I'd use a C6, I meant that to mean I would use a C6 behind the 390 FE.
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Not sure where Autogear is getting his info... but there is no way a C4 will connect to the 390. Furthermore, the C6 is a strong transmission and will run circles around the C4 all day long. As far as an overdrive, you would have to find one from a newer model vehicle such as a Lincoln, etc. that came with a big block. Even then, the bellhousing would have to be modified. You can run a toploader 4 speed but again it requires the bellhousing for a big block. You cannot put a small block bellhousing on a bigblock Ford. Since your buying the motor, I'd try and get the transmission with it. You already have the 9inch rear end. You'll be almost there. Fords run hard, but they need to breath. Intake, and headers and they'll come alive. If the 390 is stock and still has the 2 barrel heads on it, my guess is the 800 cfm Holley might be a bit too big. A 650 DP or 720 carb would be a better choice.
heads wher the same,pistons wher different 2v to 4v.332 to427 and 428 bell bolt patern the same.couger and mustang heads had adiffeRent bolt pattern for exhaust manifolds that whe different to most fes
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BTW- I stand corrected.. Ford did manufacture a small block C6 transmissions which came in some cars and trucks ( don't know the models). They are rare, and if you find one, get ready to pay the big bucks.
c6s for smbs came in pickups, i have 2, 1 for parts i in my 32ford behind a 302,they are a bit biger than c4 i have a shiftkit and it works well.iam told i wast 20hp,but do not think it is that much.would lik to find a c4 with dipstick in pan,they wher in torinos with 351cs.any one know for real power loss c6 to c4. cliff
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I was working at a Ford dealership in 67 as a mechanic. 390's in a Mustang? Tight fit but they did. I still have my 4' 3/8 drive extension for changing spark plugs. Same engine compartment.
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any one know for real power loss c6 to c4. cliff
I don't, but HERE are some estimates:

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Just in case you're curious, power loss for various auto transmissions:
Please remember these are approximate values, and were provided by Car Craft Magazine.

Powerglide_____18 hp
TH-350________36 hp
TH-400________44 hp
Ford_C-6______55-60 hp
Ford_C-4______28 hp
Ford_FMX______25 hp
Chrysler_A904__25 hp
Chrysler_727___45 hp
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I don't, but HERE are some estimates:
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Bendtsen's (Transmission Adapters) makes adapters to use C4s, AODs and GM 700r4/200-4r behind the FE. Some peoples adapters are better than others. So I would contact some people who have used the product before buying; as a misaligned input could cost you stuffing that pig back into the car with a fresh rebuild AND re-engineering the adapter.

I just can't stand to lose that much power; but if the adapter is junk, just make more power instead LOL.
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1967 Ford LTD engine type

The '67 Ford big block V-8's were FE type block engines. There was a 352, 390 and 427. Check the engine number and then come back and ask us in this forum to help you ID which you may have. Those are a good solid performing block. There are many very competitive FE block Drag Racers out now still taking home trophies.
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First off ... the "big block" terminology doesn't really work with Ford. The were "FE" and "385" were the common large-displacement engines, but there were others, too, like the MEL.

FE Passenger Car Engines

385 Series Passenger Car Engines

MEL Passenger Car Engines

FE's (eg 352 / 390) to my knowledge, all had the same bellhousing pattern, which ws different than the 385 series (eg 429/460)

428 FE's were more common than the 427, IMO.
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