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I need to paint a hood and two fenders off of a 69 Chevelle. The guy will bring the pieces to me. He says it is in PPG DP primer , bodywork complete and straight. ( We will see, heard that before ) .

Lets say it is ready , How many hours should I have in sanding 400grit ( solid color ) , applying sealer, applying PPG Concept single stage 3-4 coats ?

Wetsanding 1000,1500, 3000 trizact , Compounding, swirl remover, hand glaze ? This is to only paint top sides. He said the hood is rather large .
Wet sanding and buffing can take some time I know.
Any advice appreciated.

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It would take me around 8 hours start to finsh
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The cheapest wax I found to remove swirls is Next Generation from Mothers.
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Your paint time will be standard a fender like that 3 hours and 1 for the inside each, the hood 4 and 1.5 for the underside. Your wet sand and polish will be by the hour, if he wants it perfect, it takes what it takes but if he is only willing to spend $300, then take your hourly wage and supply cost and divided it into the $300 and you know how much time you can spend on it.

Here is a 1968 Chevelle convertible I finish a few months ago check back to my journal and I will post the build to that car, it was a mess.
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I figured 2-2.5hrs wetsanding the hood and about 45 minutes-1 hour on the fenders each. Compounding hood, swirl remove 1.5-2 hrs, 1 hour on each fender.

Maybe my process is slow or I am ??

Rag top Bird, could you give me your wetsand/drysand , compounding process ??
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Swirl remover is only needed if you are not willing to go the extra distance to buff those swirls out. Swirl remover is a myth and it removes nothing, only hides the swirls until the next wash job removes it.

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I figured 2-2.5hrs wetsanding the hood and about 45 minutes-1 hour on the fenders each. Compounding hood, swirl remove 1.5-2 hrs, 1 hour on each fender.

Maybe my process is slow or I am ??

Rag top Bird, could you give me your wetsand/drysand , compounding process ??
This is if the panels are ready to sand and paint

1 To wetsand (scuff) with 400 1 Hour

2 Wash and spray 2 Hours

3 Wetsand and buff 5 Hours

I would wetsand with 400 grit wash with pre cleaner and spray then water block with a metal block and 1000 grit then I move on to 1500 grit by hand from there I sand with 2000 grit by hand and then buff with a wool pad and 3M 5973 compound then I use a foam pad with 3M 5973 then I polish with 3M 5995 and finish with if it has had time to cure I use Meguiars gold class wax

Now I would charge 14 hours to do this job and keep in mind I do this every day
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I need to paint a hood and two fenders off of a 69 Chevelle. The guy will bring the pieces to me. He says it is in PPG DP primer , bodywork complete and straight. ( We will see, heard that before ) .

Lets say it is ready , How many hours should I have in sanding 400grit ( solid color ) , applying sealer, applying PPG Concept single stage 3-4 coats ?

Wetsanding 1000,1500, 3000 trizact , Compounding, swirl remover, hand glaze ? This is to only paint top sides. He said the hood is rather large .
Wet sanding and buffing can take some time I know.
Any advice appreciated.
Frankly, if you don't know, it really isn't going to matter. You are going to loose money, you haven't done it enough and it is a learning curve.

The first thing I would ask if these parts have been on the car and fit well. I don't mean when the car was taken apart a year ago, I mean since the work has been done to them and primed, have ALL the parts been fit on the car?

Painting them off is likely a BIG mistake if this guy is a home hobbiest. You could be "helping" him make a HUGE mistake. So help him out and be sure these parts have been fit on this car while it is sitting on the wheels (not jack stands).

But honestly, if you don't know how long it will take you, just charge what one of the guys here said and go for it.

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Swirl remover is only needed if you are not willing to go the extra distance to buff those swirls out. Swirl remover is a myth and it removes nothing, only hides the swirls until the next wash job removes it.

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Exactly.

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BUFFING SUCKS!!!!! Pay some else to do it....
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Well, I meant pad glaze, not swirl remover. I dont own any swirl remover.
The product I have is 3m 5995.

Brian, I had a guesstimate idea of how long it might take me to do the job.
Wanted to know about how long it should take me compared to others that do this dailey.

Now when you say you can do the job in 8 hrs and charge for 14 hrs , I guess some type of professional software for bodyshops that gives you these figures ( 14 hrs )?

Is there anything available for the home hobbyist , that does a little side work to reference ?
Best to keep a journal of how long it takes to do different jobs.
Thnaks for your help guys.
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Vince, I've got to disagree with you on this one. I know you like 3m buffing compounds as do many others on this forum and Mequiars as well. The last stage of buffing should be swirl remover using a soft foam wheel at slow speed (1200 RPM). A spray bottle filled with rubbing alcohol/water mix and a quick spritz after buffing will tell you what it will look like after washing. Unfortunately 3m and Wequiars compounds have polymers in them that mask the swirl marks so the panel looks great after buffing but after a couple of days and they are back. This applies to all their buffing products.

You might want to give Presta products a try, using their system of pads and follow the instructions on the bottles. You won't go back to 3m or Mequiars. The Presta products are water based and what you see is what you will get, even after washing.

Buffing in my opinion is a three step process, using the correct pads and RPM for each step, and the third step is always swirl remover. It goes without saying, the pads must be clean and never mix compounds on buffing pads.

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