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woj's72lemans 11-01-2012 11:58 AM

1976 pontiac 400 engine building or power
 
okay so i just bought a 76 pontiac 400 engine that i am aiming to build up for power that will eventually be put into my 72 lemans. now as far as thi motor i heard it is a slug but can be built up. i am looking to bore it .30 over, cam it, headers, edelbrock performer or air gap manifod, and i am just unsure of the ebst way to achieve my goal. please help me ith any information, tips, advice, or part suggestions thank you

MouseFink 11-01-2012 12:41 PM

Locate and install some 1967-1970 cylinder heads that have factory screw-in rocker arm studs. They will have 2.11" I / 1.77" E valves and 72 CC combustion chambers for 10.5:1 CR. The problem with that is the "locate" part. All the good Pontiac heads been rebuilt to death. The best option is to purchase a new pair of Edelbrock 61599 aluminum heads. A 400 CI engine is difficult to make high HP on pump gas.

To make good power with a 400 CI Pontiac engine, it needs 10-12:1 compression ratio, a camshaft with .500" lift, 260 deg. duration and VP C-12, 108 octane racing fuel.

WDCreech 11-01-2012 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by woj's72lemans (Post 1605843)
okay so i just bought a 76 pontiac 400 engine that i am aiming to build up for power that will eventually be put into my 72 lemans. now as far as thi motor i heard it is a slug but can be built up. i am looking to bore it .30 over, cam it, headers, edelbrock performer or air gap manifod, and i am just unsure of the ebst way to achieve my goal. please help me ith any information, tips, advice, or part suggestions thank you

The late model year '75 and all of '76 Pontiac blocks with casting #500557 are NOT a good choice for any kind of build up. As a cost saving measure, the factory cast them thin in the main webbing area and they are prone to breakage, especially when used in a build up application. Any other casting # 400 block is better suited to any kind of hopping up. The casting number can be found on the lip behind the passanger side head. See the attachement.

idontdrivericeieatit 11-01-2012 04:19 PM

Im running a 406 now it not hard to make power with them im bout 600 hp and I run 93 octane gas in mine the real problem is finding a good block most are not good went threw 3 to find one good one it is best just to buy a aftermarket dart block has better cooling and is a whole lot stronger block building a new engine and thats what I did by time u search have block tested and all the machine work done its not much more buy dart block mine was 1500 with freeze plugs and cam bearing install plus has splayed main caps with and is 4 bolt main

LATECH 11-01-2012 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by woj's72lemans (Post 1605843)
okay so i just bought a 76 pontiac 400 engine that i am aiming to build up for power that will eventually be put into my 72 lemans. now as far as thi motor i heard it is a slug but can be built up. i am looking to bore it .30 over, cam it, headers, edelbrock performer or air gap manifod, and i am just unsure of the ebst way to achieve my goal. please help me ith any information, tips, advice, or part suggestions thank you

A lot depends on your budget.
A lot depends on the intended use of said engine
A lot depends on the car you will be puuting it in
Post the answer to the 3 questions, we can help you better that way.
There are plenty of unmolested pontiacs around for parts.At least where I live

MouseFink 11-01-2012 05:39 PM

Pontiac 400 CI engine with 600 HP ?

My friend had a white 1967 Corvette L88 Convertible (1 of 20 made) and it was rated at 430 HP (GM actual dyno 560 HP) . It was formerly owned by the late TV music host Dick Clark.

Tell us more about a 600 HP Pontiac...I bet it is a daily driver too.

idontdrivericeieatit 11-01-2012 06:37 PM

Well dont know what mine was out of got block from junk yard and went from there my 406 is a daily driver I drive it when want to so what do u want know about it but nothing in my motor is factory if thats what u thinking scat crank scat rods je pistons afr heads solid lift cam victor intake holly 950 carb 1 7/8 headers msd ignition. My next one is going be stronger than this one but by no way did I say u were going buy a factory 400 with 600 hp if thats what u thinking but its not hard get power out the 400 if u want spend the money it takes to get it

forgebench 11-01-2012 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by idontdrivericeieatit (Post 1605942)
Well dont know what mine was out of got block from junk yard and went from there my 406 is a daily driver I drive it when want to so what do u want know about it but nothing in my motor is factory if thats what u thinking scat crank scat rods je pistons afr heads solid lift cam victor intake holly 950 carb 1 7/8 headers msd ignition. My next one is going be stronger than this one but by no way did I say u were going buy a factory 400 with 600 hp if thats what u thinking but its not hard get power out the 400 if u want spend the money it takes to get it

I think you're talking about a 400 Chevy. The OP was talking about a 400 Pontiac. AFR doesn't make Poncho heads AFAIK.

idontdrivericeieatit 11-01-2012 07:33 PM

Its gm block but is it really thqt hard make power with pontiac 400 if the chevy 400 will do it why not the pontiac

WDCreech 11-01-2012 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by idontdrivericeieatit (Post 1605960)
Its gm block but is it really thqt hard make power with pontiac 400 if the chevy 400 will do it why not the pontiac

A Pontiac 400 is easier to make torque with than a Chevy because of the better rod/stroke ratio. 6.625" vs 5.7".

Bill

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idontdrivericeieatit 11-01-2012 10:43 PM

Yea I dont deal with pontiac or olds or buick just figured it was bout same engine between the gm line I will have look into that more. So I guess disregard what I said bout my 400 as it dosent apply to you good thing I didnt get a pontiac 400 but really I just went after casting numbers that everybody said to use I think it was 509 casting and it was 2 bolt which I had converted to 4 bolt if pontiac is so bad wouldnt he be better just get a chevy or like I did for my new engine and get dart block

WDCreech 11-01-2012 11:10 PM

I've got 3 aftermarket Indian Adventures Pontiac blocks, one standard 10.23" deck and two at just over 11", and all have splayed billet mains. Chevies don't show me squat!

Bill

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hcompton 11-02-2012 09:07 AM

Chevy is much cheaper. You can make twice as much power with chevy for the same money. I love ponchos but they cost too much money to build. They do make massive torque nothing will move a big car like a big cube poncho.

But that being said dont build it buy it. Butler is the master and his engines are built right and cheaper than you can do it yourself. A lot cheaper.

Butler Performance - Specializing in Pontiac Engines Heads and Performance Parts

E.Furgal 11-02-2012 09:26 AM

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cobalt327 11-02-2012 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by woj's72lemans (Post 1605843)
okay so i just bought a 76 pontiac 400 engine that i am aiming to build up for power that will eventually be put into my 72 lemans. now as far as thi motor i heard it is a slug but can be built up. i am looking to bore it .30 over, cam it, headers, edelbrock performer or air gap manifod, and i am just unsure of the ebst way to achieve my goal. please help me ith any information, tips, advice, or part suggestions thank you

A Pontiac 400 can be made into a very strong running engine. If you have the desire and money, you can put a 455 stroke crank into the 400 block (takes a crank w/400 sized main journals) for even more torque. Heed what was said above about which block to avoid if building a 400 into a "455".

But even at 406 ci (400 w/a 0.030" over bore), a Pontiac can shine. My way of building it would use basically a stock crank, forged rods, cast pistons, and casting 12, 13, 16, 62, 670, or similar heads or if the budget allowed, aluminum Edelbrock or KRE heads. An engine built w/these parts and a streetable cam could make an easy 450-500 hp and as much torque, w/enough vacuum for power brakes and an idle that wouldn't shake the fenders off the car.

Arm yourself w/info if you plan on getting into Pontiac engines.
Pontiac engines
Pontiac info and sites


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