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I did a search and ended up here. I have come to resurrect this topic because Im having the same problem. I was wondering if there was ever a solution found??? I have a 2000 s10 2.2 and this has been like this for years now. I just take it easy when i drive it. I've replaced both solenoids and that changed nothing. the guy at the shop took it for a ride and ran it on the computer and said it starts out in 4th when i have it in first gear for some odd reason. I can start in 2nd (sluggish) until I get to about 25 and put it in drive and I'm good until it drops again. I just have no first gear. ANY help would really be appreciated. Thanks

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What is the mileage on your trans?

This problem has been there for years on your truck?
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I did a search and ended up here. I have come to resurrect this topic because Im having the same problem. I was wondering if there was ever a solution found??? I have a 2000 s10 2.2 and this has been like this for years now. I just take it easy when i drive it. I've replaced both solenoids and that changed nothing. the guy at the shop took it for a ride and ran it on the computer and said it starts out in 4th when i have it in first gear for some odd reason. I can start in 2nd (sluggish) until I get to about 25 and put it in drive and I'm good until it drops again. I just have no first gear. ANY help would really be appreciated. Thanks
have you had the truck scanned for codes? is the SES light on?
typical operation from the 4l60e when the is no power getting down to the trans would keep it in 3rd gear (default) which is what it sounds like from your explanation. other than the possibility of it having an internal electrical problem (and obviously mechanical now as well), usually when the trans has 3rd gear starts, and doesnt shift, and has no power down to the trans, is usually going to be either a blown fuse, problem in the harness, or the ignition switch.
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I got about 154,000 on the truck as far as I know it hasn't been replaced or or rebuilt. I've had it scanned and it's only popped up as a knock sensor. I'm just lost on where to go from here. If I start it out in drive it will be so sluggish at first and then when it gets to about 20-25mph it will start shifting. I noticed if I manually shift to 3rd and drive it it will shift twice in one gear is that right?
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I got about 154,000 on the truck as far as I know it hasn't been replaced or or rebuilt. I've had it scanned and it's only popped up as a knock sensor. I'm just lost on where to go from here. If I start it out in drive it will be so sluggish at first and then when it gets to about 20-25mph it will start shifting. I noticed if I manually shift to 3rd and drive it it will shift twice in one gear is that right?
what your probably feeling is the converter clutch engaging and thats not a bad thing. at least you know that the t.c.c. is working.
it also tells me that its got power going down to the trans.
now you say when you start out in drive. just to clarify, is it drive you have the selector in, or overdrive? have you tried to shift the truck manually to see if it will start in low gear?
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I have the selector in drive. I can manually shift it into 1st and it feels the same as when i put the selector in drive, But as soon as I get around or above 25mph it shifts fine through the rest of the gears. It's just when I'm below that speed. Thanks for helping me out. I was just gonna switch out transmissions when I got the money, but its always in the back of my mind what if its something else harness,computer etc.
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The trans can have worn or broken accumilator that is allowing fluid past to apply 2nd gear.
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The trans can have worn or broken accumilator that is allowing fluid past to apply 2nd gear.
What about first gear? would that have anything to do with it?
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What about first gear? would that have anything to do with it?
that is what I am telling you as one possible problem for no first gear

First gear is the forward clutch applied and the low roller clutch holding.

If something is broken and fluid pressure bypasses to apply 2nd gear band servo... the trans is then in 2nd gear from a mechanical defect. The trans does not know the difference
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that is what I am telling you as one possible problem for no first gear
First gear is the forward clutch applied and the low roller clutch holding.
If something is broken and fluid pressure bypasses to apply 2nd gear band servo... the trans is then in 2nd gear from a mechanical defect. The trans does not know the difference
Ok so take this into consideration to once in a blue moon and I mean that literally, it might jump into first gear and shift to second kinda harsh or so, bu then when i stop and try to go again it just what it always does. Would that still sound something similar to what you are saying?
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It would really help to hook this truck to a scanner and drive around. When you come to a stop, you want to see what gear the computer is actually commanding. Chevys have an operational condition called "fail-safe". Fail safe is basically 3rd gear. If the computer senses any of a myriad of problems with the transmission, or even some engine or emissions related problems, it will put the trans into fail safe mode. This means that when you select "D", in fail safe the trans will actually be starting out in 3rd gear. It will NOT shift. TCC may lock up, but most likely NOT.

If you are indicating that it does shift at times, I would still like to know exactly what codes are stored, and what gear is being commanded when you come to a complete stop, and then take off again. If the computer shows it is commanding a 1st gear start, but the transmission is actually taking off in a higher gear that would lead me to believe you have a mechanical failure inside the transmission. Input sprag could be slipping, sun-shell could be stripped and slipping sometimes, and catching other times (yes, I've actually seen this), band could be slipping intermittently causing 3rd gear when the vehicle is supposed to be in 2nd gear.

You have 154,000 miles on this truck and you believe it be original and not rebuilt? Personally, I'd start saving my pennies for a trans rebuild. More than 80% of the 4L60E's that come in my shop that have STOPPED running, have right at 100K. So, you beat the average driver by about 54K.

Oh yeah, the small S10's with the 2.2 motors are NOTORIOUS for torque converters failing. DO NOT TRY and re-run your old converter if you get the trans rebuilt. That would be a big mistake.

Have you dropped the pan yet to inspect for metal or clutch fouling in the pan? I would do that next. If you find what I suspect you will find, again, save your pennies and get ready. I work in the transmission industry and the only thing I can tell you is try and avoid the large chain transmission rebuilding shops. If you can, find a small transmission shop that has been around a while. Ask for references, then call those references! Check their rating on the BBB BEFORE you do business with any of them. Beware if they advertise a really low price up-front because not even GOD himself is going to get out of most transmission shops with the prices they advertise. If you end up having to rebuild it, find someone that is recommended by multiple people. Even if you have to have a trans shipped in from out of state and installed locally, I would do that before I let any chain rebuilder touch my vehicle.

I know I got off on a tangent there, but I can't stress enough how you should be very selective in who you trust when it comes to such a large financial investment. Or, dump this vehicle, take the $2000+ most shops will want to charge you to rebuild the trans, and put that money down on another car while also trading in the truck. Now you've turned a negative into a positive.
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I was hoping not to have to change the trans, but that always seems to happen to me with the negative. THANKS! for the help I will have it hooked to another scanner to be sure exactly what is going on, because the other shop did not tell me what was going on just told me to change the solenoids. I was offered $2000 for the truck maybe I should take it.
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it's kind cold here in ohio right now. I took the truck down to the gas station and it decided to shift into first gear. This happened last year when it started to get cold. I did notice that when it did the 1-2 shift it was kinda harsh?
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This truck needs to be driven with a scammer on it and see what gear the computer is commanding. This could be a pressure switch manifold or manual lever position sensor problem... Both are easier AND cheaper to replace than the whole transmission.

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