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Old 09-19-2005, 09:32 PM
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2004R...Bowtie Overdrives? Any experience

I am thinking about replacing my TH350 with a TH2004R from Bowtie overdrives. Anyone have any experience with them or suggest an alternate?

Car is a 1965 Chevell Convertible, TH350, about 350hp.

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I am thinking about replacing my TH350 with a TH2004R from Bowtie overdrives. Anyone have any experience with them or suggest an alternate?

Car is a 1965 Chevell Convertible, TH350, about 350hp.
the 700r4 would be a better choice for several reasons but just to name a couple? 1st not many aftermarket parts available as with the 700R4-you cannot get a new replacement direct clutch drum! second the 700r4 will beat the 2004r of the line any day due to it`s low first gear! also just a little FYI if you did not know the 2004r is a basically a Hydramatic 200 with overdrive and the 700r4 is the T350 with overdrive! either way you go I have not heard anything bad about bowtie overdrives! just make sure you get a good converter!

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I see the 200 as stronger. ALOT of people who race late model camaros revert back to a 200 when the 700/4l60e won't stay together and don't want the weight of the 4l80 or a 3 speed.. The install vac modulators to run less ecm/pcm. You can buy nearly anything for the 200. You can even get billet planetary ring gears along with a billet forward and direct drum, and even a transbrake and the 200 will take it like a champ.


I'm speaking from having and breaking both. I perfer the 200.
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I drive a third gen f body! I would not trade my 700R4 for a 2004r! O'H' buy the way" I rebuild tranny`s for a living! Have you tried to buy a new direct clutch drum lately? If you know where to get em let me know PLEASE"

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I drive a 87 Grand National and a 91 GMC Syclone! Some think 700 are better and some think 200's are better. It's an opinion.
I don't build for the public b/c .005 end play is a pita to find for a daily driver and I don't wanna spend the mega-$$ on a tranny/converter dyno to be a big player in the industry.
Call the real "Art Carr" (not his old TX place) for a stock hardened input drum. They are questionable with even 14-15sec cars. He kept them in stock within the last few months.
http://www.cpttransmission.com/


For one that will hold the abuse of a transbrake (manual or solenoid actuated) or anything performance oriented.
http://www.ptsnctb.com/
http://www.ckperformance.com/200R4_competition.html
Both have the parts to make a 200 last into the 9's.
CK also has a hybrid aod for people wanting 8's and an o/d w/o the 4l80e's weight. He also has a 200 page manual that has a very detailed assembly of a 200. You won't find these details in an atsg or Haynes manual.
Mods. I'm not advertising just stating where I know parts are avaliable.


If someone cannot build a 2004r with these parts and make it last in a moderately fast car, It's not the tranny, it's the other dependent variable.

The pics are 200 parts. If I remember correctly, there were about 15 4l60 billet forward drums made for GM @ a cost of about 10k a piece. There is no demand for anything better than hardened (cryoed) stock pieces for a 700 and yes they require something else to last behind serious hp. I know 2 companies who posses CAD drawings/CNC programs for the billet 700r4/4l60 internals. Not enough demand.
This might help a little too. Thanks sinistrv6.
How to beef up a th200r4
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