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Old 02-28-2009, 04:26 PM
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Hello, I just found a 200r4 trans for sale and am thinking about getting it for our 350 powered beetle project. I was thinking about putting a 700r4 in it and have gave the 200 a thought but couldn't find any.

Its out of an 87 monte and it works good, but has around 100,000 miles on it so I'll need to rebuild it eventually.
Is this a good year for the 200r4's??? I know the 3rd gen 700's were 87-90's but what about the 200's???


Thanks for the help

Talk to you all later


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There were no major changes in 200-4R transmissions.
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If it's a CZ code from a SS Monte, they are one of the best.
Better Valvebody & Governor programming. Have the highest rpm factory shifts. Here's a article by Donny Wang with most of the upgrades & dates they where introduced.
I like the 2004R over the 700R4. Better gear ratio seperation + most all have the UniBell bellhousing, fit BuickOldsPontiacCadillac & Chevy.
http://www.drwtransmission.com/thm_200-4r.htm

Best 2004R trans list here
http://web.archive.org/web/200701281.../thm2004r.html

The KC,CR & AA code valvebody & Govs have decent shift programming too.
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Thanks SSedan64, I'm waiting for the guy to get me the numbers off of the trans, we'll see what code it is.



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If it's a CZ code from a SS Monte, they are one of the best.
Better Valvebody & Governor programming. Have the highest rpm factory shifts. Here's a article by Donny Wang with most of the upgrades & dates they where introduced.
I like the 2004R over the 700R4. Better gear ratio seperation + most all have the UniBell bellhousing, fit BuickOldsPontiacCadillac & Chevy.
http://www.drwtransmission.com/thm_200-4r.htm

Best 2004R trans list here
http://web.archive.org/web/200701281.../thm2004r.html

The KC,CR & AA code valvebody & Govs have decent shift programming too.
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I just found out that it IS the CZ code, so I'm going to go ahead and pick it up monday or tuesday

Does anyone have any preferances on rebuild, shift kits, or mods for the 200r4??? I've just been researching the 700r4's because I didn't think I'd be able to find a 200, now I have to start over..... LOL

Any recomended books or manuals to get ahold of for rebuilding one???


THanks for the help guys!!!


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I just found out that it IS the CZ code, so I'm going to go ahead and pick it up monday or tuesday

Does anyone have any preferances on rebuild, shift kits, or mods for the 200r4??? I've just been researching the 700r4's because I didn't think I'd be able to find a 200, now I have to start over..... LOL

Any recomended books or manuals to get ahold of for rebuilding one???


THanks for the help guys!!!


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The best site for Info on the 2004R trans is here. Has a search feature too>
http://www.turbobuick.com/forums/transmission-talk/

Good article at the top about strengthening the 2004R trans also.
http://www.turbobuick.com/forums/tra...ing-2004r.html

I recommend an 200R4 ATSG Manual and Chris's Tech Manual at CKPerformance.
http://www.ckperformance.com/resourc...CALMANUAL.html
http://www.ckperformance.com/resourc...4RCATALOG.html
CK has about the best Shift Recalibration Kit available too.

Good site for cheap trans parts.> http://www.bulkpart.com/Merchant2/me...ry_Code=200-4R

More 2004R build articles. I'd read all of them, tons of good Info. >>
http://www.ptsxtreme.com/faq/display_faq.asp?faq_id=4
http://www.gnttype.org/techarea/tran.../200rebld.html
http://www.442.com/oldsfaq/oft200.htm

For a car as light as the Bug you shouldn't need any billets hard parts unless you plan on a lot of HP/Torque & Strip use with slicks. I would get a Hardened Stator Support, Hardened Sun Shell, good HiPer master rebuild & shift kit. The rebuild kits from the HiPer companies will included most all parts needed. Such as CK, PTS, Century, Extreme Automatics, etc.. These will have the bushings, bearings, thrust washers, rings, small parts etc..
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Thanks for the info!!!

Right now we just have a reman'd 350 so we'll only be pushing around 225hp through the trans, but later I build a more powerful engine for it, but nothing major, definatly 400hp or under, but probably closer to 300......

It won't see a strip at all, we're not planning on racing it, it will just a fun toy




Thanks again!!!


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I got the 200r4, it has about 78,000 miles on it and the fluid was pretty clean, I looks like I got a good one

I'm going to hold off on rebuilding it for now because I rather put the money in finishing the car.

Now I'm just trying to decide if I should put a shift kit and/or new servos in this tranny to get firmer shifts??? I just worry about the firmer shifts distroying up the insides of the partially worn out trans??? Or should I just live with a stock trans for a season after I finish the car and rebuild it and put in a shift kit that next winter???


Thanks again for all the help!!!
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Actually a firmer shift is much better on a trans than a stock soft shift. Slow, soft shifts mean the clutches are slipping causing wear & heat.
It's much easier to install a shift kit before the trans is installed. CK's Shift Recalibration kit is very well designed, at part throttle it will give a mild firm shift & progressively harder shifts with more throttle. Eliminates all the factory trans valvebody problems.
I'd replace the Front, Rear, TV cable, Shift Lever Shaft & Dipstick Tube Seals + filter & pan gasket before the install. Saves a lot of work.

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I know that I'll be getting less slip and heat with a shift kit, but I've also read about gear teeth and splines shearing off and thought that maybe with the firmer shifts and almost 80,000 miles on the trany that I might be more lickly to have a failure???? But I guess I'd be better off with the CK shift kit and maybe it wouldn't be an issue???/


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