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Old 08-18-2007, 08:51 AM
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All-world1....Her's another thought I had this morning. If you are after more of a nostalgic look, there is an other front end set up that works well and looks great. You start with a '37 to'40 Ford front axle assembly, split the wishbone, add bungs for tie rod ends, cut off the stock spring mounts, mount a model 'A' spring between the wishbones and reshape the spindle steering arms. The neat thing about this type of front end is that it puts the Ford smile(the bow in the axle)back on the front of your car. Then too, you have the option of drilling the axle and 'bones. This is the set up Ray Sisemore used on the Car Craft bucket series in '64. I've used it several times and it is bulletproof. Just another option for you. Ron

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Almost forgot to mention....this province requires fenders. Speedway sells some fenders, mostly for '28 and later. Not sure of the mounting hardware required.
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Ron, that's an interesting front end, can't quite picture it yet but it adds some consideration. If you can snag a pic, that would be great. What's the availability of '37-'40 axle assemblies these days? Craig
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It sometimes takes a little looking, but there are '37 to'40 front axle assemblies out there. If possible you want to score a '40, that way you've got your spindles and brakes all in one package. If you go with the Mas axle, you still are looking at buying a set of spindles. Everyone knows what their worth now so finding a set for under $150 is hard to do(thanks e-bay). I've been able to locate a complete front end for $200. If you have to settle for a '37, '38 or '39. the brakes aren't that hard to find. Ron p.s. Check your PM's.
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I do like the clean look of the tubular axle, but axle with spindles sounds like a find....giving some thought here. Sorry, what do mean by PM's????

Leaving town again tomorrow and I'm taking some drafting supplies with me to redraw the CCR frame plans to accomodate the 60 deg. kick. I assume the 7 inch kick you recommend is the difference in height between top of front rail and top of rear rail behind the kick. Just wanted to get it right before I start chopping steel.

Again, thanks for your thoughts, I'll likely have more questions for you by the end of the week.
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Craig... I understand what you mean about the clean look of the tube axle. The I beam is just another option. Depending on the size of your budget, it could also be a money saver. If you look at the top of this page, you will see a panel with the thread name in it. To the right of that is a box that has your user name in it. Under your name is "personal messages". Click on that. About the 7" kick, yes, it's the distance from the top of one rail to the top of the other one. If you lay this out full scale, you will be able to measure the length of the kick tube. On the subject of fenders, It's too bad you have to run them, but on a rainy dad, the guy behind you will be so happy you put them on your car! You are going to have to check how much of the circumference of the tire John law wants covered.Cycle fenders are the most inconspicuous. The bracket's are easy enough to fab. Ron
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Here is a pic of what Younster was talking about earlier. This is a split wishbone setup with the shcakles mounted to the wishbones.
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Thanks home brew, I recognize this setup now. Youngster was right about the nostalgic look.
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T buckets forever

I still have my original T bucket, I found the body in 1951,... a few years later in high school one of the guys brought in a 1957 hot rod magazine with a cool T and I decided to build It ... first with an olds motor with flathead running gear on a 28 chevy frame,,,, I ran out of money in college and sold everything except the bucket body. In 65 I built a new chassis using a boxed original T frame, olds 456 rear and olds front brakes on a tube axle , Ford 390 with 3 -2's, Packard overdrive trans....does wheelies.... I did a 27 on an A frame and a shortened T touring on a custom frame... rebuilt someone else's project T with a buick V 6 , I have a couple of T projects in my shop right now This time I bought the plans from California Custom Roadsters, I was thinking of using one of my Jag rear ends The total plan set is only $20 It gives you full size patterns,,, and dimensions ,,,parts list ... You have to do your own design for things like gas tank mounts ,,,battery box. E brake mount, trans cooler mounts.
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Almost forgot to mention....this province requires fenders. Speedway sells some fenders, mostly for '28 and later. Not sure of the mounting hardware required.
Princess Auto sells trailer fenders. Many guys use them. As Youngster says brackets are easy to fab.
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'23 T bucket

That cool little '27 that Home brew posted is a great example of a low budget bucket. If anyone is thinking of using this type of front suspension, use the '37 to '40 axle. The T in the picture has a '48 type axle on it. It looks good but the turning radius would be very large because the tires would hit the radius rods. This car also uses a '37 type spring, the model A spring is a perfect fit in the '40 type axle and bones. notice the distance between the king pin and the wishbone pin. On the '48, the distance is shorter than the '40. Youngster
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23 T-bucket question

Thanks home brew for the fender info.

A question about steering columns.... I have a complete wiring harness (for GM steering columns) that was to be used for another project but I'd like to use it for the bucket even though it's probably more than I need. Do any specific GM columns come to mind that would be a nice fit?
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bump steer on 23 ''t'' bucket

I bought a 23 ''t'' partly built & finished.On the front it has the spring behind the axle. It has a Vega steering box with a drag link to the rt.[passenger side] wheel. then in front of the axle a tie rod goes from the rt. wheel to the lt. wheel. It does real good on a smooth road ,but on a rough road it has bump steer[ kinda scarey.] I don't have a panhard bar [ not really anyplace to put one.] I have drum brakes & friction shocks. does anbody know a fix for this???
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re:23 T ?

I have always used a Corvair box on my Ts. They're light weight and the aluminum one polishes up so nice. Along with the box, the column can easily be modified so you have the horn, turn signals, etc. Youngster
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I bought a 23 ''t'' partly built & finished.On the front it has the spring behind the axle. It has a Vega steering box with a drag link to the rt.[passenger side] wheel. then in front of the axle a tie rod goes from the rt. wheel to the lt. wheel. It does real good on a smooth road ,but on a rough road it has bump steer[ kinda scarey.] I don't have a panhard bar [ not really anyplace to put one.] I have drum brakes & friction shocks. does anbody know a fix for this???
A couple years ago I saw a ''t'' with a Honda rack & pinion , mounted in front of the axle. it was in Mountain Home, ark. Any body tried this ????
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