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Old 04-03-2005, 03:03 PM
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I have a 283, (I was told due to the front oil fill tube above water pump) built by Tonawonda ? Chevrolet in CA. Can anyone tell me where the identifiying numbers are so I can tell what year this engine is? Also, I plan on replacing the points distributor with an HEI, can anyone recommend a particular brand/type they have used?

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numbers are on block at front of head, and on bell housing mounting at rear of motor, any chev small block hei with vacuum canister, late 60's, early 70's, should fit your application. hei might be a tight fit at the firewall, depending the style of your vehicle
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The engine stamping code is on the flat spot at the base of the passenger side head, at the front where the head joins the block. There is a number with a couple of letters, maybe 3......

You can look those letters up here


As for the HEI, a stock one from a 75-87 motor will work fine....and they are a dime a dozen.

BTW, the Tonnawanda plant is in New York.
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Hey Mug,

I just did this myself. I used a Mallory HEI. It was $169 from Summit and came with the coil.

What kind of car are you putting this in? Mine was installed in a '64 Malibu SS and there was no fittment problems.
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That's the funny part, it's already in a 1965 IH Scout.
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The oil filler tube in the intake does not necessarily mean the engine is a 283. All Chevy SBCs prior to '68 had the tube.

Look in front of the passenger side head. There is a ledge on the block that will have some numbers and letters. Find the last two or three letters in the sequence. Then go to the link that Poncho posted and it will tell you what engine you have and also what it was originally used in.
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Many thanks to all that replied, especially poncho62, the code on the block is TO322DF; which, if I read the chart correctly, is a 1968 307 from a Chevelle, built at the Tonawanda plant on August 22nd. Now I have one more for you guys, it's been over twenty years since I had to deal with something of this vintage (my first car was a 1964 Olds F85 with a 72 Rocket 350). I just put a new coil and wires on it and I am not getting any spark. I pulled the dist. cap and the cap and rotor look OK as do the points, what am I missing? I really need to hear this thing fire before I dump $500.00 in tires and rims. Don't be afraid to state the obvious, I don't want to randomly change things, just want to hear her fire!!
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check points gap, and firewall ballast if it has one, did you wire coil right
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I hope I wired the coil right, easy enough to check. Firewall ballast?
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I hope I wired the coil right, easy enough to check. Firewall ballast?
If it still has the points distributor then you cannot run a full 12 volts to the coil. You need to have a ballast resistor inline to reduce the voltage. It is usually on the firewall.
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Either a white ceramic ballast as noted above, or a white cloth-covered wire from the fuse block.
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Assuming I did wire the coil correctly, and taking into consideration I did not change any other wiring, what would my next step be as far as troubleshooting this issue? Is there a way to test the aforementioned ballast resistor?
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Was it firing beforehand?

Might run a folded piece of 400-grit wet-&-dry sandpaper through the points just in case there's a bit of non-conductive coating built up on them.

Also, be sure the new coil is grounding through it's bracket. If there's not metal-to-metal contact where the bracket meets the coil case, it won't fire.
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Assuming I did wire the coil correctly, and taking into consideration I did not change any other wiring, what would my next step be as far as troubleshooting this issue? Is there a way to test the aforementioned ballast resistor?
What is the voltage reading at the positive side of the coil?
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Well, once again thanks to everyone!! I cleaned up the points and sanded the outside of the coil and I got spark and got it to fire. I'll work on actually getting it running later, I just to hear it fire that's good enough for now. A couple more questions for you all:
1. is there an easy way to prime the fuel pump? (say from the carb inlet down?)
2. What do I need to know/watch out for with the 307???
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