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Old 10-23-2008, 11:43 AM
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If you're going to build an engine, why not just build a 5.0 with a carb? TO me it makes most sense to use the best parts you can find for the money. Use the most modern heads, roller cam, intake, etc. Even the serp belt set up.

It's not going to look like a 289, and it sure as hell won't sound like a 289, so why not just let it look and sound like what it is- a high performance 5.0?

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Old 10-23-2008, 12:23 PM
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K well what years of 302 should i consider for the "older look". It'll be multi carb'd and no serpentine system probably cast heads but not sure. Type of pan doesn't matter to me. The water neck was it always in the intake? if so does it ever look different on different models.
I'm still getting ideas of my build and I gave up on my 390/427 idea. But i still want an older looking motor.
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Old 10-23-2008, 12:32 PM
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If I were you I'd go for the newest 5.0 you can find and if you really insist of running a V-belt (for looks) then swap on some pulleys there's no sense is not going with the newer roller block.
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Old 10-23-2008, 12:40 PM
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What year's then..are we talking like fox era... The hole thing will be rebuilt. When you say roller motor do you mean roller rockers?

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What year's then..are we talking like fox era... The hole thing will be rebuilt. When you say roller motor do you mean roller rockers?

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No, roller lifters.
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Old 10-23-2008, 12:47 PM
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Go with a 90's or newer- it'll be the easiest way to go. H.O. model if you can find it.
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Ok so what years of which cars should I be looking for this donor motor.
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are you not understanding techinspector,,, a 302 is just a longer stroke 289...

just install a 302 crank/rods/pistons in the 289 makes it a 302...
the 289 heads are small chambers so do be careful about CR when choosing pistons!!!
my opinion, leave it a 289, 13 cubes more isn't worth the expense and hassle....

(for reliability/engine life I don't like the 347 "but")
if your gona' buy a crank rods and pistons to build a true old look 289 "numbers matching sleeper" 289 motor, might as well buy a 331 stroker kit and gain 42 cubes worth of TQ.....

likely that your 289 has been rebuilt atleast once, may already be a .040 bore which is the practical max bore so you may have to buy a 302 anyway....
heck, check the crank casting part number, 2M=302,,,many stock rebuilds were done that way and it is a 302 already....
did you check the numbers by the starter to verify if it is a 289 block....

if the car does have a signifigant "correct restored" value, I would go get a 302 from a yard and set the 289 block and heads aside

yes you can build a 400HP+ 302 but do you understand it will cost $$$$ in the motor plus $$$$ more in the drive train and the whole car to make it drive decent....
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Old 10-23-2008, 01:53 PM
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Alright then 5.0L 90's or newer HO. so hmm Fox's Taurus's , trucks? Also "if" i were to use N.O. Hyper Eutectic/forged pistons,crank? I'd like to build it stronger then what i need in any case, helps me sleep at night. I've heard of those spray kits that run under the intake above the gasket. Sounds like a cool trick. Now i'm day dreamin.

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Old 10-23-2008, 02:27 PM
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Ok. well i'm starting from scratch... And my budget is prolly 6000 or so. I'll be using a 4 speed with a decent clutch, and a 9'' with a locker. (one i have now works awesome) The car hasn't been built but like i said i'm planning. I also like the idea of not boring it much. More strength and maybe better cooling. I don't mind driving careful on road/track the car i have now isn't a crazy machine but is pretty quick and traction isn't the greatest. I'd like to think i can build the motor myself but will probably end up getting my brother or a shop to build the long block. I had the long block built in my current car. installed every thing on it. Fixed gremlins in " new parts" dist.,heat gauge, rad,elec.fan. Worked my way threw it. Had gears-Det.locker installed. Blew threw the FMX, had a C6 built. I don't mind spending money but like to build it once right. And I'm not in a hurry. (longer it takes more money can be spent).
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Old 10-23-2008, 03:25 PM
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My fav ford engine is a 351W. they respond well to mods and are plenty capable of making great power. But my respect goes to a 289. I seen one in a 68 mustang fastback, it had over 200,000 miles on it, never rebuilt. The thing ran like gangbusters still. The 289 was unique as it had a big bore and a real short stroke, it`s no wonder these engines last forever, the stroke wasn`t long enough to cause much wear. I see what your trying to do, and I say do as you like and wish, but if it were me I would go with a 351W. For the power they put out with the right parts, they`ll eat a 302`s lunch, and the cool part is you really won`t be paying anything more than you would be to do the 302.
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I have to agree on the 351W. They have torque, run hard and are overall a nice engine. However, with the 351W being taller, they don't fit well in the engine compartment and make it difficult to find headers that work. The 302 is the same as the 289 except for the longer stroke. I'm running a 289 out of 65 Mustang. Fords love to breathe and when they do, they run hard. I'm running 10:1 flat top pistons, Mellings cam and I installed a set of 351W heads. I'm running an Edelbrock intake with a 650 Holley DP carb. I had my engine dyno'd and it ran a 347 rwhp (rear wheel horsepower) and 365 torque at the rear wheels at 5200 rpm. I could probably raise that with aftermarket aluminum heads. Getting a 289 to 400 horsepower is very difficult. You can get a 1990 5.0, put a stroker 347 kit on it, with aluminum heads, intake and a carb and you'll see those 400 horsepower numbers. or put a 351W and you'll be close...
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Is this motor going in the 70 Cougar?

If so, I'd definately go with the windsor.

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Old 10-24-2008, 11:19 AM
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Thanks for the response's folks! I'll be putting it in a "Milner special" '32 5 window. Like i said i'll do every thing I can,an work hard to pay for the stuff that i cant do. I was thinking big power from a fairly small motor, an for me its gotta be a ford mill. I believe they used a smaller V8 Chevrolet, with that man-o-fire intake.. very cool. Thats why i thought of a 302 dressed like a 289.
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gotta' friendly request to make....

on future threads write out the "whole" story in the original question,,,"just planning" "starting from scratch" "going into a 32" etc,,,, really helps anybody who wants to respond....

not meaning to sound like a smart-arse at all but your posts read like having a discussion with my wife,,,,takes 20 minutes to find out what does she "really" want to know....

a 32' weighs maybe 2800lbs....
you don't need mega HP or TQ to make it very very quick....
it's the power versus weight ratio that determines acceleration speed...
illustration:
my 3200lb(!) only 250HP/340tq mild 302 does 0-60mph in just a hair over 5 seconds, using just first and second gears with 3.55 rear gears,,,, "IF" it does hook up quick enough with 320ft/lbs at just 2,000rpms launch when I first touch the go pedal....
(320ft/lbs x 2.46 first gear x 3.55 rear gears=2800 ft/lbs of force on the tires at launch)
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