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351 Windsor

I'm helping a friend convert his 351W from points to HEI distributor. Believe the motor is from a 70's Torino. The distributor fits just fine in the intake, but the oil drive shaft (with the hex head) on the new distributor is smaller than the existing oil pump shaft that sits in the block. I've called everywhere and looked everywhere I can think of on line to find an answer with no luck. Does anyone know if they make a replacement shaft to fit an existing oil pump shaft? (I need the drive gear and the short shaft that it attaches to that slips onto to the distributor shaft) Also, that shaft just slides on and off with a key in the center of the shaft to hold on to while rotating. Should this piece be drilled and pinned? I was figuring it would be held in place when the distributor is set on top of it and bolted down.

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I`m not a Ford guy, but I think it would be easier and likely cheaper just to use the points distributor and convert it over to a HEI.
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i agree with him just buy the mallory kit that replaces the points
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A few years back (1996 or '97 I believe) I converted a 351W-PI to use in my 19' Cobalt BluWater that I'd blown the 302 from. I wanted to retain the Prestolite marine distrib. from the 302 for use on the 351 for safety (Coast Guard Approved) reasons, and had a machine shop make me a custom shaft (5/16 hex oilpump end to 1/4 hex distr.drive) and they only charged about $35 or $40 at that time). If you are unable to find other sourcing this might be an avenue to investigate, especially if local odd-lot job shops in your area might be slow, or if you have a machinist friend, that would be better yet. -Jim
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Re: 351 Windsor

It sounds to me that you have a distributor out of a 289/302.
The 351 distributor is identical except for the oil pump drive shaft which is larger on a 351. Convert the one thats in there or hunt down a Ford duraspark distributor and module off of a late model 351 and use it.

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Thanks!

Thanks all for your replies!! I'm a Chevy guy myself and this problem is why...Another question to ask since I started all this research, I was told that ALL ford oil pump shafts were the same size and I must be crazy if I think I have something differant...also, that no distributor was ever made where that shaft is in 2 pieces like I have...

Am I really crazy? I like the idea of converting the points distributor myself, sounds easier.

Also, trying to find the casting number, should be on the passenger side above the starter...I dont see it there. It's in a 54 coupe thats lowered so it's a B@#$TCH to get in there, any other numbers on this thing that I can cross over to get a better idea of what it is?

Thanks again!
Chris
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221-260 289-302 are the same size ,1/4'', 351 is 5/16, also the dist is longer on the 351. If you are using the after market chevy style hei, the slip on piece can be superglued to the shaft.
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You rock Bro!!!!

Feddo, (or anyone else that may know!!!)

Do you know where I can get a new slip on piece for the distributor that will interchange? I've tried summitt, jegs, mallory, pro-comp, all local parts stores, e-bay...you're about the first person that actually understands what part I'm looking for...

Thanks again Bro!!!
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get on ebay motors and you will find a host of people selling these type of dizzys,i bought one this summer,works great. type in ford hei.
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Thanks carronnie...

Been on there quite a few times and found a jillion distributors for this, just waiting to hear back from them on the size of the oil pump shaft.

Chris
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351 distrib.

DONT MESS AROUND GET THE CORECT 351 WINSOR DSIT.seems to me the gear is different as well,like preveous posters have sead 221 to 302 are the same. when you get to 5ltrs with roller cams different again. cliff
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My first question is are you sure you have a 351W, or could it be a 351C?

There are major differences between the 2 engines.
351W
5 bolt valve covers
aluminum timing cover
thermostat mounts on the intake manifold

351C
8 bolt valve covers
flat steel plate timing cover
thermostat mounts in front of the intake manifold, on top of the block casting.

Regardless of which "351" you have, both use a 5/16" oil pump drive.

The "sliding" 'collar'(lock down ring) on the distributor is used to set the depth, of the distributor drive into the camshaft drive gear. Note; Both engines may use the same part # (MSD)distributor, hence the adjustable 'lock down ring'. This lock down ring should have set screws to lock it into position. If not call MSD Support, and ask them.
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A Cleveland distributor is the same as a 400/429/460. I agree with the suggestion that you have a 289/302 one. I have one of those and while the lower part can be changed, it also is a different length( the dist.body). I would sell that to someone with a 289/302 and get the correct one or convert to a Duraspark. The 460 ones are plentiful and will drop into a 351C if that's what you have or the 351W, if that turns out to be the engine, is pretty widespread also.
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My first question is are you sure you have a 351W, or could it be a 351C?

There are major differences between the 2 engines.
351W
5 bolt valve covers
aluminum timing cover
thermostat mounts on the intake manifold

351C
8 bolt valve covers
flat steel plate timing cover
thermostat mounts in front of the intake manifold, on top of the block casting.

Regardless of which "351" you have, both use a 5/16" oil pump drive.

The "sliding" 'collar'(lock down ring) on the distributor is used to set the depth, of the distributor drive into the camshaft drive gear. Note; Both engines may use the same part # (MSD)distributor, hence the adjustable 'lock down ring'. This lock down ring should have set screws to lock it into position. If not call MSD Support, and ask them.

It is a Windsor engine...trying to find the "right" distributor on e-bay now. Thats where my buddy bought this one from and the guy told him it was for a 351, but apparently thats not the case. Waiting for some replies to verify the shaft size now, before I have him buy it.

I've got TDC set right now on the motor while I wait for the new distributor, anyone have any good tips/tricks in setting the timing or preferances to make this run smooth?

Thanks!
Chris
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Ebay.

W distributors are unique. period. Small block dist do not fit.

IF you want an HEI, contact DUI, Performance Distributors in Memphis.
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