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One of the Mustang mags did a dyno test last year on a 351W Mustang changing from c6 to c4, and found 20+ hp power consumption difference in the trans.
Saving money by using what you have is fine, but losing 20+ hp is significant.
The C6 takes more power to run it.

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Irelands, is that kit for a complete rebuild? If its as easy as you say I may think about it, but ive never worked on something like this before and I dont really want to mess around with going into something like this, the swap I can do. If I decide on it I will definitely let you know about the manual on how to.. appreciate it.

Is there an easier way to tell 351w from 302, im not real sure what you mean by the intake/distributor woodz428. What casting number should be on the intake? Im working on a way to lift the truck now, I should begin the swap next week.

I considered the hp loss of the c6, the car needs some work else where, so I figured I would use this good trans I already have.. In the long run, the c6 should be fine for it though. I plan on upgrading the engine more, its all stock now, and has a 2 barrel carb. Thanks..
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The TCI trans kits are generally pretty complete. May need a few extras parts like washers for setting endplay, bushings etc..
Also check below for trans parts, with these kits you have to order filters, bands, bushings, washers etc.. seperately. No rebuild kit contains everything that may be needed. You will only know what's needed after teardown & inspection to see what's worn.

http://www.bulkpart.com/Merchant2/me...ry_Code=C-4hpk

http://www.bulkpart.com/Merchant2/me...egory_Code=C-4

Master Kits = gaskets, seals, clutch frictions & steels.
Banner Kits = the above minus steels.
Overhaul kits = gaskets & seals.

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Where ever you purchase a builder kit for an automatic trans... READ what is included. I can not stress that enough

Names and contents vary from trans to trans and supplier to supplier.

Master Rebuilder kit
Master box kit
Overhaul kit
Gasket & rubber kit.

Some master kits may include all bushings or none. Some may include pump and extension housing bushings.

READ the content label !

If a re-seller of parts orders enough kits , the manufacturer will package that kit any way it is ordered.

Some kits have cork gaskets for the pan... some have the Duprene pan gaskets..... or teflon sealing rings or metal rings

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Is there an easier way to tell 351w from 302, . Thanks..
Look where the head meets the block above the water pump.

If the head gasket surfaces touches the water pump boss, it is a 302, or newer 5.0

If there is about 1 inch of height between the top of the wp boss and the head gasket surface, it is a W.

Each of these engines, the thremostat comes out of the front of the intake manifold.
Other Ford 351s come out of the timing chain "cover" housing.
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Heres a pic of the engine if anyone can tell, im pretty sure its a 351 by whats being said, the filter cover has 351 too but im just making sure..



Im still looking into rebuilding the c4, but does anyone think it can be done by someone if they never worked on a transmission before, any special tools needed??
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Can anyone tell by the pics? Also the c4 transmission, if it can be done fairly easy I may go for it, the only thing is ive never worked on something like this and not knowing exactly what to do will be the problem, im sure I could do it though but ill need a good manual on how to.. Otherwise im still going with the c6.. thanks!
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I can't tell from your picture, if you had a picture of the other side, especially where you can see the distributor hold down. If I had to say what engine you had from this picture, I would say a 302. I have a picture of a 302 on a engine stand in my project journal, and the dimension look the same.
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Sorry man
If you absolutely refuse to look at the engine,
then there is nothing that we can do to help you.
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Sorry man
If you absolutely refuse to look at the engine,
then there is nothing that we can do to help you.
I think this says it all in bold,

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Heres a pic of the engine if anyone can tell, im pretty sure its a 351 by whats being said, the filter cover has 351 too but im just making sure..
I took the pic didnt I, that doesnt sound like absolutely refusing to look at the engine. Ill just make sure too if its a 351. Because obviously I didnt know in the first place if I asked how to tell.
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I can't tell from your picture, if you had a picture of the other side, especially where you can see the distributor hold down. If I had to say what engine you had from this picture, I would say a 302. I have a picture of a 302 on a engine stand in my project journal, and the dimension look the same.
If youd like ill take a better picture for you to check out more, but thanks for letting me know what you think by the picture.
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It's no more then a 302, not a 351.

http://www.fordification.com/engineID.htm

This is a 302/5.0 rear veiw. Note how narrow the intake manifold is.......that is also a C4 with many mods

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I ,too, would think it was a 302. I think it's odd that after he was told by more than one person that the "distributor/intake manifold area" was the determining point he shot a pic of everything from the opposite side.
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I ,too, would think it was a 302. I think it's odd that after he was told by more than one person that the "distributor/intake manifold area" was the determining point he shot a pic of everything from the opposite side.
If the spark plug wires and heater hose were moved we could at least see the deck height.
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It's no more then a 302, not a 351.

http://www.fordification.com/engineID.htm

This is a 302/5.0 rear veiw. Note how narrow the intake manifold is.......that is also a C4 with many mods

Thanks for giving your opinion on this and not wondering off anywhere. Im fairly new to this, if I had owned 351w's or 302's in the past I probably wouldnt be here asking whats the difference. Maybe the pic wasnt the best, big deal. But after all im still sure its a 351. I checked the firing order and that comes back as being a 351. I gave the swap more thought and really debating just rebuilding the c4 now.. Thanks to everyone for the good information on this though.
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