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Old 01-07-2013, 12:49 AM
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I'd go with a ZZ454 if I knew I wasn't going to run into problems like oil pan, hood clearance and header clearance.
But, but, that's why they make cutting torches and MIGs.

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Yes tech of course! Seeing as I'm very inexperienced with that and don't have the equipment it would take me forever.
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Hi TechInspector yes I am very familiar with that article as well as CHP article called Danger Mouse. I've been researching the e tec 170 heads for many months and they are my favorite head. The cam in Edelbrocks kit 234/238 .539/.548 on 112 LSA is a great cam based on what I've read, although some say it's outdated. The e-tec heads don't look the most impressive on paper but they just flat out make power from everything I've read. I wouldn't mind using the Edelbrock 2204 cam but it seems a little agressive and I don't know what it would make down low, say 1500-2000 RPM.
I clicked on the build TI mentioned, the one you're familiar with. Didn't really care for that thick-*** grease they're using for assembly lube:



But more importantly they said it was built using -12cc dish top pistons, but FT are shown being installed. BIG difference in CR (about 10.25:1 vs. 11:1), depending on what was really used. 11:1 is likely too much for straight pump gas- even w/aluminum heads- unless the timing was retarded. Retarding the timing is not preferred over the right CR to begin with.

I have no idea what the dyno results were, or if it was done using FT or dished pistons. But take the whole thing w/a grain of salt- sometimes what you think you see isn't what you get.
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Cobalt327 I'm disappointed in that particular article in that they never showed the dyno numbers and like you said who really knows what the compression was. hcompton I'm familiar with those top end kits and I'm tempted to buy one just for the parts but I don't think I would use the cam(s), one is a little too conservative at 212/222 .462 .479 and the other just a little to aggressive 234/238 .539 .548.
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.. Order a SBC 400 shortblock rebuilt with flat top or shallow dish pistons, good quench/deck height, and your choice of cam... bolt on your E-tec heads, etc...

.. Better yet, have a Buick 400 rebuilt to similar spec.s for your Regal... much kewler...
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Hey Buzzlol I've thought about the 400 but not the Buick 400. I may look into the SBC 400 but I've no idea who's a good supplier of a short block. Hcompton the cam in the 2088 kit is a solid performer and in a 383 should make some good torque and I know I wouldn't be disappointed.
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Fuel Requirement
495 @ 5700 RPM
515 @ 4500 RPM
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10 to 1
91 Octane
reputable dealer,almost 8k though. all new parts and dart shp heads
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525 @ 5600 RPM
550 @ 4200 RPM
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Vinniekq2 that's that real street 402 from Shifaroff racing...ive looked at that. What do you think about United Racing Engines? They offer a 502TQ and a 524TQ AFR headed 383 designed specifically to use with a stock stall converter. Although those two packages are found on eBay not on their website, last time I checked. I made a deposit last year on their 524TQ 383 and they have excellent customer service. I just still want to assemble (at least the top end) a little of the engine myself.
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My friend John Graham, races Calgary in 9.90 with a shaff 540. customer support is good. His engine was as advertised.
I know nothing about United? you can buy a fitted short block and assemble it yourself. maybe buy a 427 fitted or short block?
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What I'm looking for is a good short block that includes the oil pan, dampener, and flex plate, and 1 piece RMS so I don't have to jack with a cam button. The ZZ383 shortblock is great but at $3903 there has to be a better value. Even the ZZ454 short block is less at $3855. The ATK 383 short block at about $2000 looks good but I'd like to have that with the pan, balancer and flex plate.
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.. I think Edelbrock and TA Buick both have aluminum heads for a Buick 400... TA can prolly also supply a Buick 400 shortblock to your spec.s and you can bolt on heads yourself... can prolly dicker with them on price... a Regal with a Chevy engine just seems traitorus and boring... LOL!

.. Back in the day, the Buick 455 cars blew away the Hemis...

.. Don't know if there is such a thing as a small block Buick 350 that can be converted to a 400... know there is a short deck block Olds 403" with huge pistons/short stroke...

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Buzzlol I really do like the olds 403 I just swapped one of those in for the 307 that was in there. Engine has minor problems and I don't think it'll last much longer. I have another 403 also as well as an olds 455 that I may or may not put it, depending if I can get it running on the engine stand. I have several cars that's why I have so many engines.
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What I'm looking for is a good short block that includes the oil pan, dampener, and flex plate, and 1 piece RMS so I don't have to jack with a cam button. The ZZ383 shortblock is great but at $3903 there has to be a better value. Even the ZZ454 short block is less at $3855. The ATK 383 short block at about $2000 looks good but I'd like to have that with the pan, balancer and flex plate.
No idea where you're located, but there was a couple articles on a company named Demon, they're on the left coast. Cheap Big-Block Chevy Engine.

A while ago a member posted an article about a nice sounding deal from Coast High Performance, on a Chevrolet 406. These guys torque plate hone all their engines, I emailed them to confirm this.
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.. Yes, BFritch, where abouts are you located?

.. Both the links above go to basically infocommercials for parts and those engine rebuilders... but useful info and similar builds could be done with different parts at a lower price... that Demon company might be a source of a low priced SBC 400 shortblock... complete with warranty if that is important to you... they may also have the tin and other exterior parts lying around and supply them to you to clean up and paint yourself... biggest concern with SBC 400's is getting it built with pistons at or close to -0- deck for good quench... preferably without having to cut the block deck down... this means spec.'ing pistons with tallest compression height possible... hypereutectic cast pistons would be fine for this build... I suspect the 400 build in the 2nd link didn't really have good deck/quench and a properly built engine would easily far exceed their numbers...

.. One of the magazines did a build a while back with a Coast shortblock and it arrived with dish pistons and didn't perform impressively... before they did part 2 of that build, they discovered Coast offered the same shortblock with flat top pistons and bigger cam for the same price, so they used that one in part 2 with much better results... so, instead of buying something that needs half of it thrown away and replaced, spec. exactly what you want right off the bat... it usually costs little or even nothing more before the build is started...
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