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Old 01-07-2013, 12:49 AM
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I'd go with a ZZ454 if I knew I wasn't going to run into problems like oil pan, hood clearance and header clearance.
But, but, that's why they make cutting torches and MIGs.
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Yes tech of course! Seeing as I'm very inexperienced with that and don't have the equipment it would take me forever.
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Hi TechInspector yes I am very familiar with that article as well as CHP article called Danger Mouse. I've been researching the e tec 170 heads for many months and they are my favorite head. The cam in Edelbrocks kit 234/238 .539/.548 on 112 LSA is a great cam based on what I've read, although some say it's outdated. The e-tec heads don't look the most impressive on paper but they just flat out make power from everything I've read. I wouldn't mind using the Edelbrock 2204 cam but it seems a little agressive and I don't know what it would make down low, say 1500-2000 RPM.
I clicked on the build TI mentioned, the one you're familiar with. Didn't really care for that thick-*** grease they're using for assembly lube:



But more importantly they said it was built using -12cc dish top pistons, but FT are shown being installed. BIG difference in CR (about 10.25:1 vs. 11:1), depending on what was really used. 11:1 is likely too much for straight pump gas- even w/aluminum heads- unless the timing was retarded. Retarding the timing is not preferred over the right CR to begin with.

I have no idea what the dyno results were, or if it was done using FT or dished pistons. But take the whole thing w/a grain of salt- sometimes what you think you see isn't what you get.
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Have you thought about the edelbrock power package. They at least can show you some proven power combos.

Check out this link.

http://www.edelbrock.com/automotive_...ek_chevy.shtml


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Redline assembly lube is good stuff. I spread that snott on toast good stuff taste like chicken.
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Cobalt327 I'm disappointed in that particular article in that they never showed the dyno numbers and like you said who really knows what the compression was. hcompton I'm familiar with those top end kits and I'm tempted to buy one just for the parts but I don't think I would use the cam(s), one is a little too conservative at 212/222 .462 .479 and the other just a little to aggressive 234/238 .539 .548.
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.. Order a SBC 400 shortblock rebuilt with flat top or shallow dish pistons, good quench/deck height, and your choice of cam... bolt on your E-tec heads, etc...

.. Better yet, have a Buick 400 rebuilt to similar spec.s for your Regal... much kewler...
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Cobalt327 I'm disappointed in that particular article in that they never showed the dyno numbers and like you said who really knows what the compression was. hcompton I'm familiar with those top end kits and I'm tempted to buy one just for the parts but I don't think I would use the cam(s), one is a little too conservative at 212/222 .462 .479 and the other just a little to aggressive 234/238 .539 .548.
I suggested it since the cam is a little safe. may not make as much power but will last for years and be pretty dam fast.

I was thinking the 2088 (A) was a nice package. a solid 350 is nothing to sneeze at. most cars dont come close to 350 hp. You will not be sad.

but the next one up is not to bad. really most of there cams are pretty tame. they stick to the middle of the road type stuff for the most part. Just got to do the math and see which one is best.
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Hey Buzzlol I've thought about the 400 but not the Buick 400. I may look into the SBC 400 but I've no idea who's a good supplier of a short block. Hcompton the cam in the 2088 kit is a solid performer and in a 383 should make some good torque and I know I wouldn't be disappointed.
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Horsepower
Torque
Bore & Stroke
Compression Ratio
Fuel Requirement
495 @ 5700 RPM
515 @ 4500 RPM
4.125 x 3.750
10 to 1
91 Octane
reputable dealer,almost 8k though. all new parts and dart shp heads
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extra 1250 gets dart pro 1 heads
Horsepower
Torque
Bore & Stroke
Compression Ratio
Fuel Requirement
525 @ 5600 RPM
550 @ 4200 RPM
4.125 x 4.000
10.25 to 1
91 Octane
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Vinniekq2 that's that real street 402 from Shifaroff racing...ive looked at that. What do you think about United Racing Engines? They offer a 502TQ and a 524TQ AFR headed 383 designed specifically to use with a stock stall converter. Although those two packages are found on eBay not on their website, last time I checked. I made a deposit last year on their 524TQ 383 and they have excellent customer service. I just still want to assemble (at least the top end) a little of the engine myself.
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Old 01-07-2013, 06:36 PM
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My friend John Graham, races Calgary in 9.90 with a shaff 540. customer support is good. His engine was as advertised.
I know nothing about United? you can buy a fitted short block and assemble it yourself. maybe buy a 427 fitted or short block?
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What I'm looking for is a good short block that includes the oil pan, dampener, and flex plate, and 1 piece RMS so I don't have to jack with a cam button. The ZZ383 shortblock is great but at $3903 there has to be a better value. Even the ZZ454 short block is less at $3855. The ATK 383 short block at about $2000 looks good but I'd like to have that with the pan, balancer and flex plate.
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.. I think Edelbrock and TA Buick both have aluminum heads for a Buick 400... TA can prolly also supply a Buick 400 shortblock to your spec.s and you can bolt on heads yourself... can prolly dicker with them on price... a Regal with a Chevy engine just seems traitorus and boring... LOL!

.. Back in the day, the Buick 455 cars blew away the Hemis...

.. Don't know if there is such a thing as a small block Buick 350 that can be converted to a 400... know there is a short deck block Olds 403" with huge pistons/short stroke...

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