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Old 01-26-2004, 07:07 PM
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$4,557.99 for SBC 400 Parts/Machine Work

Just finish order all my parts today for the SBC 409 and here its what is include in what I thought was going to be build with $2500.
SBC 400 on a Budget..."Yea Right"

SBC 408 PARTS and PRICES
MANUFACTURE DESCRIPTION PART# PRICE
AFR
Heads 195cc AFR-1036 $1,425.00
Price include
Springs Upgrade part #8033
(setup 130-140 seat 330-350 open)
Steam Holes Drilled part#1062

ARP
Main Studs ARP-234-5501 $51.95
Head Bolts ARP-134-3701 $58.95
Oil Pump Stud ARP-230-7002 $6.50
Oil Pump Shaft ARP-134-7901 $13.95
Fuel Pump Pushrod ARP-134-8701 $14.95
ARP Cam Bolt Kits ARP-134-1001 $3.95

CLEVITE
Main Bearing MS1038P $27.00
Rod Bearing 8-CB663P $27.00

CLOYES
True Roller Timing Chain CLO-9-3100 $60.09

CRANE
Energizer Roller Rocker CRN-11744-16 $132.50

EAGLE
H-Beam 6"Rods CRS6000B3D $335.09

EDELBROCK
Elite Air Cleaner EDL-4207 $49.88
Elite Valve Cover EDL-4249 $69.95

ELGIN Solid Lifters VT1992-16 $50.00

FEDERAL MOGUL
Cam Bearings 1235M $19.00

FEL-PRO
Head Gasket FPP-1014 (2x) $63.90
Intake Gasket FPP-1205 $13.95
Rear Main Seal Align Bored FPP-2909 $18.95

HOLLEY
Carburetors 750 Vac Sec HLY-0-3310S $249.95

LUNATI
Flat Tappet Mechanical LUN-280/284F10 $183.71

MILODON
Oil Pump Pick-Up Screen MIL-18311 $34.95
Milodon Street/Strip Oil Pans MIL-30900 $123.49
Diamond Stripper Windage Tray MIL-32250 $74.95
Lifter Valley Screen Kits MIL-23150 $15.95
Oil Pan Baffles MIL-32500 $5.25

MELLING
Oil Pump MEL-M55 $15.95

MR. GASKET
Oil Pump High Press Spring MRG-26 $3.95

PIONEER
Brass Freeze Plugs SBC 400 $14.95
Harmonic Balancer PIO-872003 $95.88

SCAT
9000 Int. Bal. Crank 400-3750-6000 $222.50

SUMMIT
Fuel Pressure Guage SUM-800115 $19.95

WISECO
Pro Tru Forged Pistons PT020H4 (0.040) $419.00

PARTS TOTAL COST $3,922.99

Here is the engine machine work that has cost me $635.00
MACHINE SHOP WORK NEEDED PRICE
K&P MACHINE
Deck (.000) $150.00
Align Honed Mains $135.00
Tap Starter Bolt $30.00
Hone Finish Cylinders $60.00
Tap 3 Oil Holes $15.00
Install Deck Plugs $100.00
Bore w/ deck plates (.040) $120.00
Install Cam Bearings $25.00

Machine Shop TOTAL $635.00
Engine Parts: $3,922.99
TOTAL COST $4,557.99

Still have to mock the block up for clearance, get the rotating assembly balanced, and pistons mounted to rods. If I have fogotten any parts to complet this engine please let me know. I MIGHT CAN ASK THE WIFE FOR A LOAN.

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Old 01-26-2004, 09:02 PM
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Ignition????
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LOL, you sound like my son! Gonna keep it under 3 grand! Yea, right. Almost $5,500 later, its done.

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Old 01-26-2004, 09:31 PM
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What about the pushrods and the rest of the gaskets and an intake. make sure u use a rod bolt stretch gauge,not just a torque wrench.
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Old 01-26-2004, 10:17 PM
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Sounds like my Chevy 400 parts list.
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Welcome to the club. That oil pump will come with both high and regular pressure spring so you didn't need to buy a seperate spring (not a big deal).

Looks like you got some pretty good prices on some of that stuff.

I am afraid to list the parts on my current build, LOL.

It's only money you will make more, you only live once make it fun.

P.S. Now double that figure and you will be close to your actual price when finished


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Old 01-27-2004, 04:59 AM
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Ive found through bitter experience that a good rile of thumb is to do your budget (like your initial 2500) and multiply it by pi, (3.1415) and for some reason, it always almost on right the money (no pun intended) I think by the time you are done adding the price of additional parts needed up (like spark plugs, ignition wires, vacuum hoses and plugs, engine paint, header gaskets, motor mounts etc.) you will come close to 2500$*pi=7852$

The pi rule applies (by some freakish law of nature) to almost all budgets, try it next tome you hear of budget overruns anything and you will find that its almost scary how accurate it is.... anyone in here who has (when they reluctantly add all the bills up) found it to be true??
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Old 01-27-2004, 05:26 AM
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DO-NOT leave the reciepts around if your married. you will not be allowed to be a hotrodder if she finds out what it costs to build a car.
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Old 01-27-2004, 06:03 AM
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And I thought Pontiacs were expensive.

It sure adds up quick, don't it?

Excellent advice from mikeyweyman!!!!!

Good luck on the project.
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Nice parts list. My 406 cost about the same plus labour to build it. We have a race engine builder here who is one of the best in Canada. I got 2 invoices from my builder, one for the wife and the real one. I spent alot of money on my engine this time around because I skimped on my last engine that I put together. It lasted for about 10,000 miles and with cheap parts I was never sure as to how hard I could run it. Eventually it spun the cam and the replacement cam and all the metal took out the bearings. I have quality parts in my 406 and I know it will hold together. It's seen 7000 rpm (it revs so fast I was slow on the shift). Buy a shift light too cuz you'll need one.

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More then likely you are going to have to change the bearings to the H series. H Beam rods are clearanced to take the filet radius on the crank and the P bearings will hang out. H's are about $100 more.

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Thanks for posting those prices. I have made a printout of that post so I can show my customers that my pricing isn't as bad as they might think they are. As a matter of fact, looking at these prices makes me think of raising mine.
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DTL504,

I know the feeling, last winter I was going to build my 383 stroker for less than $ 2500. Well after almost $4000, my engine is up and running. I already had, carb & ignition.


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My machine shop bill looked similar.
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Not uncommon at all to over spend, but I am curious about a few things. Why did you not do some kind of package pricing from Summit or Jegs? Usually they at least have rebuild kits with upgrades available to cut some of the costs. Also, you might check around on machining. Those prices are a little high for my area anyway. I realize you have already ordered it, but there are alot of items you can get used at a fraction of the cost just so you know next time. Carb and oil pan come to mind right off the bat. It took me a year to round up all my parts for my engine, but by watching ebay and getting some awesome deals on new parts I have less than 6k in my efi turbo engine with all forged internals. Off the shelf it would have been in the 10k range not counting the turbo itself.

I just bring this up because if you are not made of money, as I am not, there are cheaper ways than brand new everything. Of course, you definately have to know what you are looking at and what it is worth so you can jump on the good deals.

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I agree with Chris.
A 385 crate motor would have been cheaper.
How did you come up with 409 cubes ?
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