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Old 11-21-2008, 02:33 PM
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4.6 DOHC In A 32: Anyone Did/Doing It

I Posted this on another "Traditional" Rod Site, and got NAILED, so I thought I'd ask here. I'm getting parts together to build a Lincoln Mark VIII aluminum block 4.6 DOHC. It will be Stock EFI with a 4R70W tranny going into a "Z" framed '32. Have settled on a Lo Boy Roadster, and have been eyeing the Speedway Motors stretched body, and their frame/components. I WILL build it as close to a 50's set up as I can (with the exception of the EFI/ECU controlled engine/trans). Any thoughts on running the Lincon 4.6 engine? I'm going to need a BUNCH of help/leads reprograming the ECU. With the EDIS 8 plug wires, and polished rocker (cam) covers it looks sorta like a Mopar Hemi... if you look at it kinda squinty eyed...
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Old 11-21-2008, 06:03 PM
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I have seen a couple in streetrods here in San Antonio.

I also believe that Arrowhead has one in his toy
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Old 11-21-2008, 06:37 PM
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It was Arrowhead's ride that got me interested/started on mine...
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I'm putting a 4.3 L V6 Chevy motor in my '47 so I'm right there with you. Instead of reprogramming the ECM, I'm using stock everything and getting a wiring diag from that vehicle to go by. The computer doesn't care what vehicle the motor is in, just as long as all the sensors and trans it expects to see are there.
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Old 11-21-2008, 06:56 PM
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Maybe "reprogram" isn't the right word. What I need to do is "program out" all of the stuff that's not needed. Basically all I'd need is for the ECU to run the fuel, ignition, and transmission programs. But I CERTAINLY don't know how/what functions to remove. I contacted the Detail Zone, and they said that they could take care of all of that for me for around $350. The way I see it, that's real reasonable to have a computer controlled set up. I've been doing cars for a LONG time, and tried to stick with carburetors and points. However, there is NO WAY that carbs/points can compete with what an ECU controlled engine/transmission can do. My Edlorado Northstar is a 4.6 (291 C.I.) engine, and it's WICKED fast right off idle and all the way up...with GREAT mileage in normal driving. Just turn the key, and go...
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Old 11-21-2008, 09:15 PM
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i was planning on a 4.6 in my 68 cougar i researched it out and it looked like a major headache , instead i bought a car with a 302 in running condition it was much easyer staying with what it had.
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Finally someone with a different Taste, then the same old, same old the Chevrolet guy come up with.

I'm currently working on a 1933 Ford sedan and I'm installing a New, 4.6L DOHC Super-charged engine in my car. I started my frame up restoration some time ago, and I'm getting it close. The 4.6L engine is a wonderful and very capable engine. These are really the some of Ford Racing's best work and have received world recognition and many awards over the last several years. I'm using the"Terminator" engine, which was standard in the 03-04 Ford Mustang Cobra's. These engine were vary , very rugged and are are among the best 4.6L they offer. I am also running a 4R70W, but this transmission was never an option with my engine. I have made extensive changes to the engine, the blower was ported and polished, the fuel injectors up-graded, new fuel rails, valve covers, ignition covers, we changed the blower pulley and rive, and added billet pulleys to the the rest of the engine. I had to add a larger mass air meter, larger throttle body and intake, plus a list of other smaller items. i also changed the fuel system to a Return style system. I am also keeping the Ford Electronic Engine Control (EEC) and the version I'm using is the latest EEC-V. I eliminated the EGR equipment and also eliminated the PATS system from the EEC. Because this engine/transmission combo was never a factory option, I had to purchase a new EEC from a 05(yes they made it) Mach 1 that was equipped with a 4.6L DOHC engine but not the super-charger, and Automatic transmission. It is much easier to program the extra function needed for the super-charger then try to program all the transmission function to the original EEC controller. I also scraped the factory wiring harness and use a custom harness that I could route as I pleased and make fit the car. Don't worry it only takes roughly 140 wires to fully re-wire the "Terminator" engine, and the computer terminal itself has 120 terminals. I went with a completely custom 4R70W, built by Performance Automatics. They basically replaced all clutch packs with new stuff, a HD first gear, new input shafts, valve body,and usually and a new higher 2400RPM stall converter. The transmission has 24-28 wires that control it's function, and yes it's a fully electronic overdrive transmission, that requires connection to the EEC to shift and lock up. This is a very rugged trany and will hold a lot of power, mines set-up to hold 750HP.
The Engine is huge....It's one of the widest engines there is, and just maybe the widest. Beside with at the heads, the engine is also longer and higher then most others. Not sure where you got yours, but the DOHC engine or 4-valve as most know them by have been built since '93 I believe. I absolutely feel in love with this engine the first time I tore one down. the architecture is such that very few engine are built this well, they can only really be compared to the exotic engine of abroad. I started working on them and eventually got into doing heads on them, I love these engines. There are many running them in NMRA racing, and currently they are getting 2100HP out of the top teams. Talk about a beefy engine!
I had a lot of trouble fitting this engine in my car, the frame was one thing and I had to make a few changes up the body was very tough. The extra wide heads, just take up room that isn't available. It may not have taken so much work, but i wanted to really give the effort to save as much fire-wall and front end as I could, so we went in small steps looking for fitamit a litlle at a time. in the end, I could not save the original fire-wall, and even after purchasing a Big Block Chevy fire-wall,had to modify that piece by sectioning it 4" and across and another 6" down the middle. my engine fits, but I gave up a lot of inside room to make it fit. To get back some dash area, I had to section the dash by adding a 3" strip across the with of it, this helped. This, plus I did mount the engine to the rear as much as possible, this could have possibly been one reason for so much modifications. The engine is a heavy one, and mine weights in at about 600lbs, so you can see why I keep the weight to the rear.
If you have any question about the engine feel free to inquire, your the first I have found that wont's to install a 4.6L DOHC engine.
Go luck with the build, I wish i had all my pictures here, but I just got this computer, and i don't have that much transferred yet.
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Ford Performance builds a stand alone ECM for the 3 valve 4.6

Call their tech line at 1-800-367-3788 for more info..may be the way to go for us computer challenged types..

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Old 11-22-2008, 08:55 AM
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My engine is a '93 Mark VIII with a 2001 Cobra block. It has vacuum controlled IMRC's, so that's one less headache I'll have. You might have had better luck fitting the engine with tube type exhaust exhaust, rather than the long tubes. There really isn't that much room between the crankcase and the frame. Someone on another Site was kind enough to Post these pictures for me. I believe the car is in Kansas City, and it's a KILLER looking Coupe...
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Alan Johnson that owns CHRFab (www.chrfab.com) has a blown northstar in a 32 that makes sick amounts of power. That is his specialty, Northstars. He runs his off of a Holley Commander 950 that he sells to run the northstar.
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Ford had a 33 with a 4.6 in their display at PRI this year but it was a tubular style frame as opposed to the stock type rails. It was definitely a cool looking car though.
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heres a few shops that have carb'd setups for the modular motors

http://www.sullivanperformance.com/fordhome.htm
http://www.karkraft.com/

just an option if you don't feel like hiding all the wires, I think its a great look, the new mod motors with a carb setup.
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factoryfive racing

The factory five guys had the 33 at the sema show... factory five sells cobra "kit"cars and a lot of other neat stuff. Their new 33 looks like a real winner. The picts show a ford cammer in one of their cars ...the website doesn't have a lot of info about it. they have been offering 4.6 in their kits for a while ...I don't know how they handle the computer and wiring for their kits.
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4.6 parts

also check out sullivan performance, a few new parts ...they have carb manifolds if you want to go that route
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