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4 banger brainstorming (help me out)

Just in the thinking stages here (find myself there often)
working on a 66 Volvo Amazon wagon.
The B20 (Volvo not Honda) that is in there is tired and I'm thinking maybe something more modern would be nice. Good MPG is real important with
power being a close second.

I'm thinking a 2.3 Ford out of a Turbo Coupe Tbird would be good.
I want to keep it as simple as possible so something that came RWD is good.
Toyota has a few good choices. 22R or 22RE, 4AGEC.

Open to ideas!
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Is cost a factor? If not then I would go with a more modern engine. The old Lima 2.3L is a durable engine but not the best thing going. Do you plan on modifying it or do you just want a good stock engine? Do you care if it is foreign? Fuel injected? Turbo or NA?
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Cost is a factor, as would easy to find parts. Other than that anything goes.
EFI seems to be worth the effort. Turbo would be fun.
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Old 11-08-2010, 03:25 PM
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HERE is a guy who used a 4.3L Chevy engine in his 122. Might give you an idea or two...
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Well if Cost is a factor then I would recomend searching craigslist and local junk yards for what is available. We may be able to think of a great engine platform that is just to expensive for you to run (a turbo ecotec for example) but expense on a project like this is dependant on what is available to you locally. I would try to stay with something made in the past 10 years, and something that comes somewhat built up from the factory (turbocharged with good internals). If those two criteria are met you should have no problem finding go fast parts regardless of make. For a complete drivetrain with electronics and avery nut and bolt you'll need be ready to spend up to about $2,000 for something nice.

If cost is a huge factor then you may have to go older in which case parts availability may become more of a problem.
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The GM Ecotec can be adapted to both FWD and RWD applications and is well supported with parts. The stock turbo versions in the Solstice and Sky put out 260 HP, and parts are available for more.

The older Quad 4 motors can be had with up to 190 hp naturally aspirated and the GM supercharger kit can be adapted. There are aftermarket bellhousings to mount these motors in RWD applications.
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How bout an engine from a crotch rocket motorcycle? Just have to think of a way to connect to tranny.
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Here is a cool article.....http://pintopage.fordpinto.com/Poisonous%20Pinto.htm

I could build up the old Volvo tractor engine. But as fun as that would be I'm sure I'd want more right away.

A donor vehicle would be ideal. I think a 4cylinder would be interesting.
S-10's and Rangers are cheap and easy to find.
I'm already putting a V8 in a Volvo and I'm building a 455 for my Cutlass.
I was thinking about a 3.8 GM V6 as I've heard they can get great gas mileage. I just think a 4 would be the easiest fit.

not looking for "the best idea" just looking for ideas.
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Quad 4's are great engines and CHEAP at junkyards. Then you need to buy a $500 bellhousing...
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O.K. Joe and AP,
the wheels in my head are turning, the Quad 4 looks amazing w/o the engine cover. At first I thought $500 was nuts when I could find a set up more ready to bolt in. Now I'm thinking Quad 4.
Still open to other ideas.
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If you go the Quad 4 route be sure to keep an eye on your timing chain/tensioner. Replacing one every 65,000 miles or so is much better than replacing the damaged parts after they break. I did a lot of those at one time, its their #1 problem. As long as you change it when needed its not a problem at all though.
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The Q4 can be dressed to resemble an old 4 cylinder Offy motor. Do a search and you'll find a number of street rods set up like this. The T5 is a good match.
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Heres the Quad 4 I built up for my Rambler....A used yard engine is probably cheap but rebuilt longblocks can be pricey. You need a 475.00 bellhousing to make it RWD..you will also need the thermostat housing to reposition the cooling. Dont bother with a single cam Q4..find a 2.3 twin.. If you can find a HO they are 190hp and the standard is 160hp..You can run pretty much any GM manual trans or automatic. You will need to do a hydraulic throw out bearing for the clutch. One engine I looked at before the Q4 was the Miata 4 cyl..they make turbo kits for them. A good miata engine and trans was like around 600-800 dollars at a jdm place. I m happy with the Q4..it runs strong and gets alot of looks..its old enough now that most people dont know what they are looking at which makes it interesting..

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oh yeah if you go quad 4 stay away from manta parts..thats my opinion based on the fact that they took my money and never sent the item..also, happened to several friends of mine in the Q4 world....

quad4rods is a good guy.
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Ecotec isn't a bad option either, though perhaps not as cool looking.
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