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Old 05-27-2003, 07:51 AM
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What were some 4 speed tranny made in the early 60 and 70.

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saginaw and muncie, run o' the mill and hi-po
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you forgot Borg-Warner T-10 and Super T-10
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I had a ol 4 speed for year's man dad said it's a rock crusher
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The rock crusher would be a Muncie. They were called that because the gears would whine. They whined because of the angle at which they were cut. They were more straight cut than the standard Muncie and could take a lot more HP and torque. Very desirable if you are looking to sell, and very strong if you can stand the noise.
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Old 06-25-2004, 08:27 AM
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Don't forget Ford's toploader. Got one in my 67 Mustang.
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I'm new, so be gentle...
Can anyone direct me to an overhaul manual for Muncie 4 speeds? I have a '66 M21 (I think) and I have no idea what to expect when I tear it down.
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I've seen a couple on ebay lately. That would be the best bet. Manual transmissions aren't that hard, they are quite simple in design and assembly compared to an automatic. I just did my Sagianw 4-speed in a weekend and that was with doing all the yard work and going waterskiing on Sunday, plus playing with my 3 dogs. It won't take long to take apart and reassemble. What I did, since I didn't have a manual or instructions was take a lot of pictures with my digicam. That way when I went to reassemble it, I could always look at the pics to see how it went back together. I took about 40 or so pics and only had to use a few. You might also look for an exploded diagram. That is really about all you need to reassemble it. I fould one for my trans online and printed it off. Just pinned it up over the workbench and used it as a guide. They look intimidating, but really aren't if you are pretty mechanically minded. If you aren't, then you might want to take it to a shop. I had a shop tell me $150 to rebuild my trans. That's not a bad price if you are really uncomfortable with tearing into it.

Good luck.

Here is a link for you. It's a overhaul manual for a Muncie 4-speed.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...spagename=WDVW
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just curious how much PAIN can a fresh saginaw 4 speed take?

I'm going to be running a mild 454 and I definitely want a standard tranny...but the cost of the muncies is just too much. The saginaws are cheap and abundant...just wondering if they will grenade behind a 400+/- HP 454.


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If you buy a complete rebuild kit from a place like D&L in huntington station NY it will have a print of all the parts on it and is very good at the correct way to put the trans back together. It is a good idea to take pictures, but if the person before you got it wrong then you will get it wrong also. 50 percent of all the muncies i rebuild have the bearing retainer nut on backwards!!!!!

I'll be glad to walk you through it just shoot me a e-mail with any questions you have.

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Thanks for the quick replys, guys.
I ordered an overhaul kit from Year One. (haven't received it yet)I'm mainly doing this because it seemed to me that the transmission had some noise that I beleive to be bearing noise. I read somewhere on this forum about the transmission must be in 2nd gear in order to remove and re-install the side cover. I didn't know that, so I got to thinking, "what else don't I know?"
I've never been into a manual transmission, but I think I could figure it out. I just thought an exploded view would be nice.
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A fresh Saginaw trans can take a bit of PAIN. As long as you don't beat it too much. I also am going to be running around 350+ HP and I still went with a saginaw. I can buy 2 and have a fresh one ready to put in for the cost of a Muncie that needs a rebuild. The prices are just insane, the Saginaws are a good strong transmission. No, not AS strong as a Muncie, but still able to take a beating. If you aren't going to use it for drag racing and take it a little easy on the clutch dumping, it should last quite a while. You don't need to baby it, just understand it's limitations. Also if you have that much HP, then you will probably have trouble getting traction which will be better for the trans. Then the shock in 1st gear won't be as bad. If you are going to make sure you have traction and can launch, then I would go with a better trans. Maybe a Richmond 6-speed?
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richmond six speed would mean that I'd have to sell my kidneys.

I was talking to my machinist, who also happens to be my old auto teacher yesterday. He said the Saginaw should handle the 454 as long as I'm not too crazy with it, and as long as I'm not running slicks.

He said I should be able to screw around, burn the tires up and whatnot. Which is pretty good news considering you can get a saginaw for super-cheap...could probably get 10 for the cost of 1 muncie.

Learn the ins and outs of the saginaw and have an abundant supply in the even of a failure. =)
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OK, Guys,
I ordered an overhaul kit from D & L Transmission, after I found out Year One was going to be 2-3 more weeks, after already charging the parts to my card, but that's another story....

I can't figure out how to get the old rear bearing out of the rear bearing spacer...It's got a snap ring with tangs on the ends in a groove around the circumference of the bearing, and the snap ring is in a groove in the bearing retainer, but I can't see how to get the ring out without damaging/destroying it, and absolutely no way to get the new one in without damage.

Somebody please tell me what I'm missing... JA

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To get it out you have to open the ring up, then slide the bearing out, then pull the ring out. I know it sounds like it won't work, but it does. I tried and tried to sqeeze it closed on my Saginaw, but it wouldn't move. Then I tried to open it and it fell right out. To put it back in, just put the ring in first, then open it up and put the bearing in. Good luck, and keep us informed on your progress.

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