Are 413 mopar engines any good? - Hot Rod Forum : Hotrodders Bulletin Board
Hotrodders.com -- Hot Rod Forum



Register FAQ Search Today's Posts Unanswered Posts Auto Escrow Insurance Auto Loans
Hot Rod Forum : Hotrodders Bulletin Board > Tech Help> Engine
User Name
Password
lost password?   |   register now

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools
  #1 (permalink)  
Old 08-19-2006, 10:47 AM
Registered User
 
Last photo:
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: ocklawaha,Fl
Age: 25
Posts: 223
Wiki Edits: 0

Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Are 413 mopar engines any good?

well i have i 413 dodge motor that came out of a motor home are they any good? better than a 440?

    Advertisement
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
  #2 (permalink)  
Old 08-19-2006, 01:10 PM
xntrik's Avatar
Save a horse, Ride a Cowboy.
 
Last photo:
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Arkansas
Posts: 5,131
Wiki Edits: 0

Thanks: 0
Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post
Fine engines. Just a smaller bore 426 or 440. Making it 426 is a stretch, and 440 is impossible.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
  #3 (permalink)  
Old 08-19-2006, 02:42 PM
Gene Davis's Avatar
Strker
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Flagstaff, AZ
Age: 78
Posts: 12
Wiki Edits: 0

Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
413's are great engines. I've built 413's, 426's and 440's which will run door to door with each other. True enough, the 413 was dropped fairly early on in the horsepower race of the early '60's, but it was a real torquer and the main reason trucks and motor homes wound up with them. Stock for stock, a 383 would run side by side with a 413. Now, whatcha gotta do is take the best of all the HP big blocks and use those parts in your 413. Flat-top pistons and a set of 906 (casting number) heads, or perhaps a set of 2.08" closed-chamber heads will work really nice. You may have to do a bit of valve seat re-sizing for the 2.08" intakes in those closed-chamber heads, but they are "killer" heads. A set of Stage V heads would be awesome. They can be gotten with 2.25" intakes, and 1.88" exhausts. Breathing is the key to producing power. The lower end of that particular engine is excellent as is. The pistons, however, are going to hafta be exchanged for some good after-market ones. If you are going to use it on the street, go with flat-tops. If you are going to bracket race it, go with an 11:1 pop-up. Before doing anything, determine what kind of gas you are going to be using. Pump gas,..flat-tops. SoCal, or VIP gas, go with the pop-ups. Grinding the casting flash off the interior walls will aid in returning oil to the pan quicker. Oil galleries on each side of the camshaft should be ground smooth as well. Be sure you use a windage tray to avoid the crank spashing in the oil. Oil splash can really slow your rod down. Of course, nobody would build anything without getting it balanced. You may want to knife-edge the leading edges of the crank throws. This acts like a knife flying around in the oil dripping back to the pan. If I can be of any help along the way, contact me by e-mail. Good luck!

Last edited by Gene Davis; 08-20-2006 at 01:40 PM. Reason: Typo
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
  #4 (permalink)  
Old 08-19-2006, 04:21 PM
Registered User
 
Last photo:
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: ocklawaha,Fl
Age: 25
Posts: 223
Wiki Edits: 0

Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
well i have 3 440 motors and i heard that the 413 is a wedge motor doesnt that mean the heads are wedge shape? , maybe put those heads on the 440.
but i am going to build the 440, just thought those heads were good ones maybe?
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
  #5 (permalink)  
Old 08-19-2006, 08:20 PM
Registered User
 
Last wiki edit: Mopar tapered axle rear brake conversion
Last journal entry: What I'm doing now...
Last photo:
Join Date: Jan 2002
Posts: 4,267
Wiki Edits: 49

Thanks: 0
Thanked 4 Times in 4 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by chevelle4542speed
well i have 3 440 motors and i heard that the 413 is a wedge motor doesnt that mean the heads are wedge shape? , maybe put those heads on the 440.
but i am going to build the 440, just thought those heads were good ones maybe?
You need to do a little more reading about Mopar engines before you tear into one, the 413 is basically identical to the 440 except for the bore size, heads included. The wedge engines were the 361, 383, 413, 426 and 440. The 426 hemi was derived from the 426 wedge in '64.



Quote:
Originally Posted by chevelle4542speed
well i have i 413 dodge motor that came out of a motor home are they any good? better than a 440?
413's are terrible. As a matter of fact you should get rid of that one immediately. Just send it to me COD.

Last edited by Centerline; 08-19-2006 at 08:25 PM.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
  #6 (permalink)  
Old 08-20-2006, 08:23 AM
Hippie's Avatar
Analog man in a digital world.
 

Last journal entry: HEI comparison.
Last photo:
Join Date: May 2003
Posts: 2,255
Wiki Edits: 0

Thanks: 3
Thanked 5 Times in 5 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by chevelle4542speed
well i have i 413 dodge motor that came out of a motor home are they any good? better than a 440?
Pretty much agree with the rest, the 413 is a very good engine. Not "better" than a 440 just a smaller version. Perfect for a nostalgia rod or 60's Mopar. They are to Mopar what the 409 is to Chevy or the 406 to Ford. Ever listen to the Beach Boys Shut Down ? "Pedals to the floor, hear those dual quads ring"......... There was a 413 Fury in town when I was a teenager and it was pretty impressive for a "boat", it held it's own with more than a few musclecars. They will run hard and respond to the same mods as any other Mopar B or RB block. Not a Mopar guy myself but if somebody wanted to give me one I sure wouldn't say "No."
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
  #7 (permalink)  
Old 08-20-2006, 08:45 AM
xntrik's Avatar
Save a horse, Ride a Cowboy.
 
Last photo:
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Arkansas
Posts: 5,131
Wiki Edits: 0

Thanks: 0
Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gene Davis
413's are great engines. I've built 413's, 426's and 440's which will run door to door with each other. True enough, the 413 was dropped fairly early on in the horsepower race of the early '60's, but it was a real torquer and the main reason trucks and motor homes wound up with them. Stock for stock, a 383 would run side by side with a 413. Now, whatcha gotta do is take the best of all the HP big blocks and use those parts in your 413. Flat-top pistons and a set of 936 (casting number) heads, or perhaps a set of 2.08" closed-chamber heads will work really nice. You may have to do a bit of valve seat re-sizing for the 2.08" intakes in those closed-chamber heads, but they are "killer" heads. A set of Stage V heads would be awesome. They can be gotten with 2.25" intakes, and 1.88" exhausts. Breathing is the key to producing power. The lower end of that particular engine is excellent as is. The pistons, however, are going to hafta be exchanged for some good after-market ones. If you are going to use it on the street, go with flat-tops. If you are going to bracket race it, go with an 11:1 pop-up. Before doing anything, determine what kind of gas you are going to be using. Pump gas,..flat-tops. SoCal, or VIP gas, go with the pop-ups. Grinding the casting flash off the interior walls will aid in returning oil to the pan quicker. Oil galleries on each side of the camshaft should be ground smooth as well. Be sure you use a windage tray to avoid the crank spashing in the oil. Oil splash can really slow your rod down. Of course, nobody would build anything without getting it balanced. You may want to knife-edge the leading edges of the crank throws. This acts like a knife flying around in the oil dripping back to the pan. If I can be of any help along the way, contact me by e-mail. Good luck!

Why spend all that money on a 413 when you can build a 440 for the same price and make more power across the board? More cubes and bigger bore= better breathing = more power.

www.readershotrods.com see readers' rides

Last edited by xntrik; 08-20-2006 at 08:50 AM.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
  #8 (permalink)  
Old 08-20-2006, 10:56 AM
Gene Davis's Avatar
Strker
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Flagstaff, AZ
Age: 78
Posts: 12
Wiki Edits: 0

Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Re: Are 413 mopar engines any good?

xntrik, you are absolutely correct, however, I'm assuming that chevelle4542speed already has a 413 and wanted to do something with it. I totally agree that a 440 is the way to go, but "a bird in hand".....
Anyway, with the right parts, the 413 will fly. My first wedgie was a 413, and nobody could beat me at the local dragstrip,....that is until I ran into a 426 Max Wedge. But I had almost two years to enjoy the fact that I was the king. chevelle4542speed, I would just ponder what you really want to do and go with your gut. Remember, ALL RB goodies will inter-change (I have a rather nice collection of HP parts and goodies for B & RB engines ) with your 413, so, really, the ball is in your court. Good luck, Stroker.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
  #9 (permalink)  
Old 08-20-2006, 12:38 PM
RPM's Avatar
RPM RPM is offline
World Class ASE tech
 
Last photo:
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Hills of TN
Age: 64
Posts: 704
Wiki Edits: 0

Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
You need to do a little more reading about Mopar engines before you tear into one, the 413 is basically identical to the 440 except for the bore size, heads included. The wedge engines were the 361, 383, 413, 426 and 440. The 426 hemi was derived from the 426 wedge in '64.


There was also a 350 cubic inch motor in that line up of old Mopar engines
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
  #10 (permalink)  
Old 08-20-2006, 12:47 PM
Bryan59EC's Avatar
Car? Truck? Who Cares
 

Last journal entry: First week of December
Last photo:
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: San Antonio, Texas
Age: 54
Posts: 2,354
Wiki Edits: 0

Thanks: 1
Thanked 18 Times in 16 Posts
413 Golden Lion
413 Cross Ram

Torque Monsters---Something had to get those New Yorkers rolling
I think these were about 385# torque at 2800rpm bone stock in 1959

By standards of the day-----AWESOME

Bryan
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
  #11 (permalink)  
Old 08-20-2006, 01:03 PM
xntrik's Avatar
Save a horse, Ride a Cowboy.
 
Last photo:
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Arkansas
Posts: 5,131
Wiki Edits: 0

Thanks: 0
Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post
Quote:
Originally Posted by xntrik
Why spend all that money on a 413 when you can build a 440 for the same price and make more power across the board? More cubes and bigger bore= better breathing = more power.

www.readershotrods.com see readers' rides

Gene Davis,
how would you get 2.25 x 1.88 valves into that smaller 4.1875 bore. Would you notch the cylinder walls? Valve shrouding?

There isn't much in the way of 413 performance pistons out there. Wouldn't custom made pistons be quite expensive?



http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/lamm.asp

Last edited by xntrik; 08-20-2006 at 01:11 PM.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
  #12 (permalink)  
Old 08-20-2006, 01:17 PM
Registered User
 
Last wiki edit: Mopar tapered axle rear brake conversion
Last journal entry: What I'm doing now...
Last photo:
Join Date: Jan 2002
Posts: 4,267
Wiki Edits: 49

Thanks: 0
Thanked 4 Times in 4 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by RPM
......There was also a 350 cubic inch motor in that line up of old Mopar engines
Quite correct. There was also the 400 "B" block as well. Sometimes I suffer from CRS I guess.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
  #13 (permalink)  
Old 08-20-2006, 02:31 PM
xntrik's Avatar
Save a horse, Ride a Cowboy.
 
Last photo:
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Arkansas
Posts: 5,131
Wiki Edits: 0

Thanks: 0
Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post
Quote:
Originally Posted by Centerline
Quite correct. There was also the 400 "B" block as well. Sometimes I suffer from CRS I guess.

I don't remember what CRS means.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
  #14 (permalink)  
Old 08-21-2006, 11:28 PM
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jun 2002
Location: Vancouver bc
Posts: 5
Wiki Edits: 0

Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
"Can't Remember Stuff"
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message

Recent Engine posts with photos

Quick Reply
Message:
Options

Register Now

In order to be able to post messages on the Hot Rod Forum : Hotrodders Bulletin Board forums, you must first register.
Please enter your desired user name (usually not your first and last name), your email address and other required details in the form below.
User Name:
If you do not want to register, fill this field only and the name will be used as user name for your post.
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.
Password:
Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.
Email Address:

Log-in

Human Verification

In order to verify that you are a human and not a spam bot, please enter the answer into the following box below based on the instructions contained in the graphic.




Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
good cam for me? 89silverado454 Engine 4 03-21-2006 08:54 AM
crankshaft 241 259 (260) 270 engines tend to crack Edwin Engine 8 01-16-2006 05:40 PM
Good Grounding can make a difference ep33510 Electrical 2 12-07-2005 07:42 PM
350 and good gas milage and a combo HELP changer01 Engine 7 09-22-2003 11:05 PM
Need a set of old no good heads to teach kids how engines work Blue_Blazer Engine 1 08-07-2002 01:48 PM


All times are GMT -6. The time now is 02:44 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Search Engine Optimization by vBSEO 3.6.0 PL2
Copyright Hotrodders.com 1999 - 2012. All Rights Reserved.