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It's a lot of work but john is doing it right, I saw a 35 Packard phaeton the the owner had stiffened up with tubing inside by the door posts and around the back seat. A half roll cage just didn't look right in a classic car, but rewooding it would be lots and lots of work, I just got home from 4 days in the hospital, the classic signs of another heart attact, It turned out to be a case of shingles on my left chest and left back. If you are over 50 you should get the vacination. I'll probably miss the big car show in Rigby Id today. doc said bed rest for a while. and don't drive while on the med's.

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John, a thought occured just now....where do the body mounts go ? It almost looks like that cupped piece would have a mount under it somewhere. Would they have been a rubber cushion like the 60's stuff or a flat piece of fabric ..
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I remember you telling us about that surgery John, so sorry to hear that. Thought and prayers are with your friend's family and your's.

It's always tough, I've had a few friends pass away in the last few years, guys that I grew up with and it's always tough.

All the best John
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John, a thought occured just now....where do the body mounts go ? It almost looks like that cupped piece would have a mount under it somewhere. Would they have been a rubber cushion like the 60's stuff or a flat piece of fabric ..
Here is a picture that will make it clear. In order to hide the welds I built this corner assembly and then installed it in the car,

The body shims and mount is on the lower frame support. Above that is the body mount, then the floor board and above that the cone shaped convertible support. You have 4 pieces in the picture and the shims and pad go between the bottom 2.

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Normally I ask my wife to turn the crank on my bead roller so I can feed the panel straight but I went ahead and did it alone tonight. The beads are not as straight as they could be but by the time the 4 body mounts are welded to them I believe they will be OK. I guess they will have to be since I'm not going to make another one.

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Normally I ask my wife to turn the crank on my bead roller so I can feed the panel straight but I went ahead and did it alone tonight. The beads are not as straight as they could be but by the time the 4 body mounts are welded to them I believe they will be OK. I guess they will have to be since I'm not going to make another one.

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And I thought You were building this car LOL
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You know guys, I was thinking a day or 2 ago as I was waiting to fall asleep. (It takes sleep a while to slip up on me.) I want people to realize my purpose with this thread is not to represent myself as one of the great metal workers but rather to show the guests and novices that look at these threads that with a limited amount of cheap import tools and a little patience that an inexpensive project can be built on a budget. Not only that but it can be done to a level of quality that creates pride of ownership as well as having market value. There is a big difference in spending your money and in investing it in a project.

Do I think I can make a nice car out of this thing. Hell yes. Do I think it will ever win best of show. Not a chance. Will I enjoy the car? I already am.

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I think it will have a good chance of winning any show out there John. I know you are a modest person, but you are one of the best I have seen, even if you are working with "cheap import tools". Keep up the good work, it gives me something to look forward too.

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I checked out MetalMeet and did a lot of work on my chepo HF bead roller. added more angle iron to stiffen it, drilled and added grease zerks,, a top adjuster crank. quick release, a 12 V atv winch to run it and a foot pedal forward and reverse. I got my orange "skate' wheel from reids supply and a 22 mm hub and pully for a tipping die from surplus center.
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I checked out MetalMeet and did a lot of work on my chepo HF bead roller. added more angle iron to stiffen it, drilled and added grease zerks,, a top adjuster crank. quick release, a 12 V atv winch to run it and a foot pedal forward and reverse. I got my orange "skate' wheel from reids supply and a 22 mm hub and pully for a tipping die from surplus center.
I would love to power mine. I'll bet there are lots of posts on Home Made Tools showing how.

Do you have a picture to post of yours?

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You know guys, I was thinking a day or 2 ago as I was waiting to fall asleep. (It takes sleep a while to slip up on me.) I want people to realize my purpose with this thread is not to represent myself as one of the great metal workers but rather to show the guests and novices that look at these threads that with a limited amount of cheap import tools and a little patience that an inexpensive project can be built on a budget. Not only that but it can be done to a level of quality that creates pride of ownership as well as having market value. There is a big difference in spending your money and in investing it in a project.

Do I think I can make a nice car out of this thing. Hell yes. Do I think it will ever win best of show. Not a chance. Will I enjoy the car? I already am.

John
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I think it will have a good chance of winning any show out there John. I know you are a modest person, but you are one of the best I have seen, even if you are working with "cheap import tools". Keep up the good work, it gives me something to look forward too.

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Like Kelly said, no need to feel self-conscience about your skills. I don't see it as bragging at all and have drawn inspiration from your fearless attitude about making parts and tools yourself. Heck in the last 2 weeks I've said to myself a dozen times, WWJD. "What Would John Do" ?? You helped me design and build 2 panels, a trailer hitch and a crowsfoot. THANK YOU...
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I just copied things from several other panel beaters. We are up on the farm breating a lot of smoke from all the forest fires. MORE MIS MANAGEMENT BY THE BLM and US FOREST SERVICE. Most of my tools are down south where we spend the winters. for the skate wheel I ordered trial pieces from reids a (1 us-105) and a (1-AU-824) one was gray and the good one was orange. I don't know which part no is which. For the quick release I used a push type action toggle clamp like the grizzly industrial tool catalog part no G1777. For the toggle I used 6 pieces of wrought iron base plates. They are a piece of 1 x 3 x 1/8 in strap rounded ends a hole in each end I bought from MetalMart in their wrought iron part aisle for about 49 cents each . I paired up the pieces to form a Y laying on its side. The toggle is fastened to the side leg. The top y piece to the crank controlled adjuster rod , and the bottom leg is connected to the roller bearing block. A bolt goes thru the intersection of all the y pieces. Its handy when running multiple passes to get it set then just toggle up the release move over the sheet , then toggle down with the same setting.
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The info I used was from Jim Stabe and the old MM forums had picts , I did a quick google and found this Power your HF bead roller with a winch motor [Archive] - The Garage Journal Board If you click in the top you still get the picts
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The info I used was from Jim Stabe and the old MM forums had picts , I did a quick google and found this Power your HF bead roller with a winch motor [Archive] - The Garage Journal Board If you click in the top you still get the picts
Do you power,it with a battery or battery charger?

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You know guys, I was thinking a day or 2 ago as I was waiting to fall asleep. (It takes sleep a while to slip up on me.) I want people to realize my purpose with this thread is not to represent myself as one of the great metal workers but rather to show the guests and novices that look at these threads that with a limited amount of cheap import tools and a little patience that an inexpensive project can be built on a budget. Not only that but it can be done to a level of quality that creates pride of ownership as well as having market value. There is a big difference in spending your money and in investing it in a project.

Do I think I can make a nice car out of this thing. Hell yes. Do I think it will ever win best of show. Not a chance. Will I enjoy the car? I already am.

John
John, don't think about that for a second. Anyone who looks at this thread and sees "grandstanding" or something like that has a problem themselves, YOU are a gentleman and no one with the common sense God gave them could say anything different.

I love this thread!

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