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John long 06-04-2013 08:26 PM

53 Belair conv rust repair
 
I just brought home a 1953 Chevy convertible Monday that is 100% there. 100% there except for the bottom 6 inches that is. I have always built rusty cars no one else wanted but have tried to do a quality job of repairing them on a budget.

The key wordhere is budget. I admit to being frugal but friends all say I am cheap. Whatever, for me to be able to enjoy this hobby I must be able to build the car and have my money invested, not just spent

The cost of replacement floor pans, floor braces, inner rockers, outer rockers, lower quarter panels, tow boards, trunk pan, rear pan extension, tail pan, and rear splash apron is well over 3000 dollars. That is money that will buy front suspension, rear axle, and good buildable engine. Maybe even a complete parts car.

I have basic sheet metal tools but nothing exotic. Small 3' brake, Shrinker/stretcher jaws, home made slip roll, and a home made english wheel and 110v mig welder.

My purpose here is to show the new hot rodder who is apprehensive about what he can do what is possible with a little time and patience and not much money.

Below is the patient. She has stage four cancer but we are going to try to save her. If we don't who will? :mwink:

http://i1062.photobucket.com/albums/...ps3c8fe257.jpg

http://i1062.photobucket.com/albums/...pscefc1359.jpg


http://i1062.photobucket.com/albums/...ps61229529.jpg

So far I have stripped the inside, removed the front fenders and adjusted the doors. If the body shifts or moves during the build process I want to know it before everything gets welded together. Frequently checking door gaps will let me make sure it has not moved.

http://i1062.photobucket.com/albums/...psb1870170.jpg


Tomorrow I plan to cut the toe boards loose from the front floor brace and expose the brace. The first job will be to remove the brace and reproduce it.

I hope you guys follow along and feel free to comment share thoughts, opinions, etc.

http://i1062.photobucket.com/albums/...psefd99f05.jpg

Too Many Projects 06-04-2013 08:32 PM

I'm now subscribed to this thread...:cool:
Any way to weld tube braces from the dash to rear wheel wells or door pillars to prevent the body from flexing ??

John long 06-04-2013 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Too Many Projects (Post 1681960)
I'm now subscribed to this thread...:cool:
Any way to weld tube braces from the dash to rear wheel wells or door pillars to prevent the body from flexing ??

I will do that down the road. First I will build all 4 braces and the floor pan assembly. By having the doors on I can check them to see if the body tries to move. Then I will brace the car well before I unbolt it from the frame so it doesn't fold up or move on me. Also, I will pretty much have the entire assembly made along with inner rockers before I join them to the car to limit the effect of shrinkage when it is welded up. That way any stresses on the floor pan will not transmitted to the body.

John

MARTINSR 06-04-2013 10:10 PM

Going to be a good project. :D

Brian

deadbodyman 06-05-2013 06:07 AM

Looks like the kind of car I always fall for...Well, mabee a LITTLE nicer at least the car dont drop 2" when you open the door...The only thing more fun than doing this kind of work is WATCHING someone else do this kind of work. Thanks John I was getting a bit bored.....:thumbup:

boatbob2 06-05-2013 10:05 AM

Bracing the body.....
 
IF possible,I would save the trans tunnel,and make the front floor in 2 pieces welded to that tunnel.USE 5/8 in re-bar welded in, to X the body so it doesn't flex,front to rear,and side to side,IF the rockers need replacing those re-bars will need help to insure it doesn't move around,4 or 6 jack stands should help,looks like a very interesting project...;)

Ratdoggy 06-05-2013 01:05 PM

I'd brace it after I got the doors square. That is going to move all over the place when you cut out the floors. That's my 2 cents.

496CHEVY3100 06-05-2013 03:31 PM

John I didn't notice a cherry picker do you need to use on to set the engine out or will you leave it in to keep ride height level, great project .

John long 06-05-2013 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Ratdoggy (Post 1682153)
I'd brace it after I got the doors square. That is going to move all over the place when you cut out the floors. That's my 2 cents.

Since this is a convertible there is no broblem with it moving at this point. If I am not able to get to all the damage in the bottom of the cowl I may even pop the windshield, pull the cowl assembly off and turn it upside down. after the braces and the lower structure is repaired I could reinstall it. Shim it. Hang the doors back and then tie it into the rockers. We will see how it goes. Unlike a sedan you don't have to worry about it shrinking. Until it is tied into the rockers it is a seperate unit from the rear body section.

Obviously It must be braced very well before it can be taken of the frame. When it is ready, I will cross brace it horizontally and vertically.

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Originally Posted by 496CHEVY3100 (Post 1682202)
John I didn't notice a cherry picker do you need to use on to set the engine out or will you leave it in to keep ride height level, great project .

I do David. Thanks. The truth of the matter is I couldn't wait to see how bad this thing was and have the cart befor the horse a bit. I also need to protect the windshield. A grinder will ruin a windshield in a heartbeat from a lot further away than you would think.

John long 06-05-2013 09:14 PM

I still have not decided for sure whether I am going to pull the cowl of the car. I did get the two front RH braces out of her today.

The good news is the A pillar support is in excellent shape. I took some patience to get the floor board loose from it since it is sandwiched between the frame support and the a pillar support.

Here is a shot of they A pillar support that I was able to leave in tact.

http://i1062.photobucket.com/albums/...ps48bbde5b.jpg

These are two braces I removed and will have to reproduce. The long one is not repopped as far As I know. The shorter one (second picture) is, but 2 of them are 140 dollars. Let's see what I can do.


http://i1062.photobucket.com/albums/...ps6089f0ad.jpg

http://i1062.photobucket.com/albums/...psfa26cd43.jpg

The bad news is the lower A pillar structure is gone. I will have to remove part of the outer skin to get to the inner structure. Both sides are so bad I don't have a really good pattern. Of course the key is building it in such a way it is strong, looks factory. provides lower attachment point for the front fender and provides a strong connection for inner and outer rockers.

This picture is hard to visualize. You can see the corner of the door. The area to the right and down from the door is the bottom of the A pillar.... Or lack there of.

Turn the picture about 45 degrees to the right and it is easier to understand it.

http://i1062.photobucket.com/albums/...ps32bc2ee4.jpg

Too Many Projects 06-05-2013 09:35 PM

.....http://www.smileyvault.com/albums/us...ce-popcorn.gif

Might want to find a cheap 4 door for cowl/pillar parts

John long 06-05-2013 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Too Many Projects (Post 1682287)
.....http://www.smileyvault.com/albums/us...ce-popcorn.gif

Might want to find a cheap 4 door for cowl/pillar parts

That is very good advice. I am looking for a picture that shows it now. There are several builds on the hamb.

This thread and project is about the budget build so I probably will go anead and fabricate them. That doesn't mean it is the smart thing though.:D

John L

496CHEVY3100 06-05-2013 09:59 PM

John when I was restoring 55-57 chevys ,I ordered from a place in Florida ,Titusville,, Classic Chevy International,, if I remember correct ,they have ANY and Every part for tri fives ,they were starting Late and great chevy for 58 -64 but now the have 52-54 parts ,They offer Ne as well as Good used parts ,might want to check it out.:D

John long 06-05-2013 10:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 496CHEVY3100 (Post 1682298)
John when I was restoring 55-57 chevys ,I ordered from a place in Florida ,Titusville if I remember correct ,they have ANY and Every part for tri fives ,they were starting Late and great chevy for 58 -64 but now the have 52-54 parts ,They offer Ne as well as Good used parts ,might want to check it out.:D

Thanks. I may decide I need to go that route. We will see when I get this opened up. I had to go get my Bead roller tonight. I had loaned it to my nephew awhile back. It was hard to quit and climb into the shower this afternoon.

John

NEW INTERIORS 06-05-2013 11:07 PM

Always great to see another one getting saved... Looking forward to seeing it come together... I know how you are feeling...:thumbup::thumbup::thumbup:


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