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Old 07-15-2013, 02:21 PM
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This morning something happen here at the shop that just screams why worrying about having a SBC and all of it's practicality is pretty much a moot point.

I remember years ago this hitting me when someone said they couldn't run the Buick Nailhead because "what if it breaks down and I can't get parts?"

He was talking about the neat hotrod Model A he had recently bought. Well I said, what about those TCI chassis parts, or that 70 year old dropped axle, or that 57 Chevy rear end, what about all those home made brackets and that one off radiator, what are you going to do when one of those fail?

How about this, my boss' F-100 that he has driven many miles, and was just doing a quick once over on it to get it back on the road. He has a vintage camp trailer that matches and was trying to get it done for a run a few weeks ago with a vintage camp trailer club. He didn't get the truck done so he gave up on it until a few days ago when he was able to get back to working on it. It's just about ready to bolt the bed back on and he pulled it over to the wash rack to power wash the frame when all of a sudden it falls to the ground on one side!

He got out to see this.





The top of the hot rod aftermarket coil over shock broke right off! This happened right here in the parking lot so he is actually very thankful for it breaking.....here and not out on the road. Just what would you do with this on the side of the road, go down to the nearest O'Rielly and get another shock?

I have to tell you though, the small block Chevy that it has it still runs like a top.

Run what interests you. If you want to run a Honda motor because you love your Accord, go for it. If you want to know what it's like to drive an old car with a vintage Caddy in it, go for it. Stuffing a SBC, or a 303 Olds, or a 401 Buick into a 40 Ford are all going to take about the same work (well the Buick does add a degree of difficulty with the left hand starter) one isn't cheaper than the other to install, the rear end, swapping a 10 bolt is just as difficult as a 9" as a 8", that X member will still need some major surgery no matter if you use a ST400 being the Buick or a TH350 behind the SBC.

Spending more money on the rebuild, yeah, it does, and you don't have to buy a new motor, you just rebuild the original and hot rod it. There are PILES of speed equipment for the Buick, Olds or Caddy, or a Blue Flame 235 six or a flathead or what ever. Once you become part of the "community" you get to know where you can get just about anything for your vintage car or motor. I can make one phone call and have any part what so ever for my Rambler tomorrow. It just isn't that big of a deal. Run what you have passion for!

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My God Brian !!!! We get it already..

It's his call..
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My God Brian !!!! We get it already..

It's his call..
I am not trying to convince the OP, we are just chatting now. It's all good.

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I am not trying to convince the OP, we are just chatting now. It's all good.

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Yep
It's all good.
I know that it won't be as simple as I want it to be.
I don't even like working on cars all that much.
But I simply love driving them!!!
And this will give my baby something to cruise to the store in.
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And just to beat a dead horse, if all your expectations are to "drive to the store", that funky old Buick motor will do that just fine.

I drive every single day, a flathead six powered 1959 Rambler, and it does a fine job to "drive me to the store" and to work every day.

And like I said over in another thread, (the other guys have heard me talk about this over and over) I really like the driving the old car feel, I mean an OLD car as it was. When I drive my Rambler, it is exactly as it was when some young couple brought their first newborn home from the hospital, when some young 17 year old borrowed his dads car to drive his girl on their first date, you know what I mean? I am no restorer prude by any stretch. But along with a tire smoking hot rod, there is enjoyment in driving an original old car too.

I looked into swapping the motor out in my Rambler when I found it's block was all cracked. But I am so glad I decided to go get the parts car the seller had promised me and got the motor out and rebuilt it. Honestly, it's the first car I have ever named, it's just so damn cute and fun and it puts smiles on peoples faces. My other car, a red convertible muscle car, a lot of people think I am "flaunting it" driving it. I noticed right away the difference in how people look at that convertible, at "Marge" (my Rambler) they smile, they just love that old car.

I really enjoy it, it's just at thought.

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Unclebill... PLEASE put that Buick in that car...
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Unclebill... PLEASE put that Buick in that car...
LOLOLOL, so I will shut up? LOLOLOLOL

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LOLOLOL, so I will shut up? LOLOLOLOL

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No wonder I like this place.
You guys are funny
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I can look at hundreds of car forums, and every time somebody asks how to put a SBC into whatever car it didn't come with, the conversation becomes a SBC bashing party. Often to the frustration of the OP who doesn't care or need the debate.
I love straight 8 Buicks, and had a '52 Special myself, but that doesn't add anything to the answer of how to swap a SBC into a Buick.
If you're still going ahead with this project unclebill, you need to get not only a SBC, but the motor mounts from the donor car. And maybe the frame mounts too, as often reworking the frame mounts will save some time and metal to fit it.
With the single through bolt on SBC factory mounts, it's very easy to fabricate something that will weld or bolt to the frame, and fit into the stock motor mounts. I've used box tubing, channel, or plate to fab the frame mounts on a SBC swap into numerous projects. There is no set way to do it, and whatever way is safe, and makes the engine easy to set in, or pull for maintenance is best.
You'll want to look at a factory crossmember for the trans also, as they are easy to adapt. The crossmembers used in Camaros, Novas, and Chevelles from the 70's and 80's are a good starting point. They can be adapted to your frame easily with some cutting and welding.
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One other thing on the rear axle. You should probably go leaf springs if budget is a question. It's cheaper, and easier to install. And a 9" Ford isn't the end all choice for rear axles. They're great rear axles, but might not be best for your particular swap, as the cost is pretty high, and you might not need that level of strength for a grocery getter.
Other choices would be an 8.8" Explorer, a 10 bolt GM, or even an 8" Ford. All good rearends, and with smaller bolt patterns than your typical 9" Ford donor that come in 5x5" or 5x5.5" BP most often. Redrilling the pattern can add a $100 to the cost of the axle. Check the rearend width you have now, and then decide what you'd like under the Buick for width. The 8.8" Fords are about 58" wide, and a 3.73 LS rearend is #200 from pick n pull. The S10 7.5" 10 bolt is even cheaper, as is the 8" Ford, but both are not nearly as strong as the 8.8" Ford or 9" Ford.
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I don't care what the OP uses for an engine - if it has a GM (SBC 350?) in it now, sobeit. What I do care about is his original question which is upgrading that really sad, soggy '50s Buick suspension - you know, the one with 2 foot long rear coil springs and a torque tube driveshaft to hold the rear end close to centered along with brakes that have the optional large anchor to throw overboard once they have faded after the 2nd stop. Then there are those lever action front shocks that were never worth a crap ..........

If you haven't driven one of these cars, you would be in for an unpleasant experience based on today's car.

This can be a fun project - and if there is a big pick-a-part salvage yard close by with reasonable prices, then a few hours with a tape measure and a camera under the '53 and trudge through that yard will work wonders.

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i found one for a fair price
but that woman just wont listen to reason....
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