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Old 04-18-2013, 08:06 AM
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some people like sheetmetal butted tight (me included) so that leaves out those butt clamps.Without a strip you cant screw it all together,hold it in place and remove it for more trimming. Screw holes will all line up when you put it all back together showing you its in exactly the same spot every time.Now I've seen guys fighting to hold a panel in place with one hand and tack it on with the other and it gets messy by the time its ready for actual welding...Thats one big advantage to using a flanged joint (something for the screws to bite into) ...The problems with using a steel strip is its gets welded in with the rest of the seam,PLUS the top will act like a cup and hold water and moisture ,rusting it out well before its time.Seam sealer can help but your totally relieing on the sealer so a steel strip is out...a copper strip cant be welded so its removable after welding,it helps with warpage,and really does a better looking job thats easier...If youve ever used copper to back a weld you wont ever want to weld without it...And the screw hole are a breeze to weld when all done...
theres a lot of advantages to using a copper backing strip ,I didnt invent it, I just took it to another level ,backing long seams for butts...Butt ,thanks just the same Brian....
I have never used those "butt weld" clamps, I was talking about C clamps, Vice Grip C clamps. I agree those butt weld clamps leave a gap, it's not much, but it sure as heck isn't a "butt" weld using them.

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Old 04-18-2013, 08:10 AM
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Tech and Brian...
What is it with you two?????
its ez to read something into what someone else wrote. Lets not waste any more pages on this back and forth stuff and ruin another thread...Here, we can ALL act like professionals ....I like and respect you both but this makes you BOTH look bad and it's getting to be all the time...we can all learn something from this. things arent always ment the way we read it..let it go...and enjoy doing what we do and showing others how to do the same so all of us can learn and do better not only as body and paint men but as people...
That said ,my mother would never believe in a million years I just wrote that..
Her favorite saying was always :My son is fairly well balanced.....He has a chip on BOTH shoulders....
I'm sorry Mike, reading something into a comment is one thing but an out and out personal attack, I have a hard time leaving it lie.

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If it was in person things would be different but here its ez .....dont respond or bring yourself down to that level...that way only one post is useless insted of pages that have to be skipped over....
What would our Guru "professor hammer" do in this situation? and whats more important, the information or your ego...I would hope its the info....
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Old 04-19-2013, 07:45 AM
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If it was in person things would be different but here its ez .....dont respond or bring yourself down to that level...that way only one post is useless insted of pages that have to be skipped over....
What would our Guru "professor hammer" do in this situation? and whats more important, the information or your ego...I would hope its the info....
the info is more important, and as far as that goes the strips worked out well It worked efficiently, there's now no strips behind there, and little warpage.
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I have never used those "butt weld" clamps, I was talking about C clamps, Vice Grip C clamps. I agree those butt weld clamps leave a gap, it's not much, but it sure as heck isn't a "butt" weld using them.

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so let's get this straight, you would hold that thing up at the open butt seam with clamps thru the quarter? Are you back pedaling here or is that what you really do? Maybe you should try it with the strip and some holes to keep your mock up the same. The holes don't lie. you won't have to line it up each time you put it together cause you simply line up the holes. I would never sit there and clamp that big ol seam end to end and line it up EVERY time I put it together. Then again, that's without knowing what makes you think that. Maybe you have screws in the jambs or elsewhere that works decently at holding it up even at the seam? Would love to hear your way and logic on this.
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"It's alive"

finally done! The jamb was a pretty good match to the old one. At least one thing was. I partially welded the jamb down first so the gap would stay when I next did the open butt weld


after the open butt weld I went for the factory seam along the upper rear body panel and most importantly, getting it tacked down in the channel the deck lid sits over. Believe it or not,those few tacks were more important in keeping a good gap to the decklid than the 5 plug welds at the factory seam. So once I knew the gap was stout I went ahead and plug welded the channel without any worrying of the gap walking on me, but the thing was, I didn't want to plug it all the way to the R tail light panel cause that needed to be kicked out and tacked in place as well to keep it's gap.(no pic, sorry)

So once that wasn't going anywhere with enough room for it to be kicked out a tad at the seam of the taillight panel I went ahead and porto powered that area and got my gap and tacked it in place at the seam(to tail light panel). Thing was, I couldn't push it out WHILE checking the gap so I had to guess how far to push it out while tacking. The more tacks the less it rebounded back when the porto power wasn't pushing. So once I was confident in that I did my plug welds and it STILL WALKED on me and since I was so confident in it staying I didn't check it when I had to do the very back plug welds, which I think moved it. So after it was done I ran a small slice in the corner, pushed it back out, checked it, and re-tacked it. All better and the gap was great again!


Then it was finishing up the area around the taillight, which was also the area at the seam that I tacked down to keep my gap.


After that I went to the rocker, which was vise gripped down the whole time but at the seam it was already tacked down from the start to keep my gap.


Last was all the stupid little brackets in the back to make it look factory and little things like this...




So in the end "Frankenquarter" is done..."It's alive!" I Love a great challenge but moving forward I think it's much better to at least seek out a good donor quarter for this particular car, if any still exist, rather than cutt up the quarter like I had to just to make it match and be showcar quality. Way too much slicing and dicing, but again, I love the challenge.
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