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Old 03-12-2008, 05:15 AM
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62-67 nova/MII install question

anybody ever use the MII crossmember ONLY?
not the whole bolt-on stub, just the crossmember?
not doing a nova so don't go down that road, ok?

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Are you asking about an aftermarket M2 crossmember put into the 66-67 nova? Then I would not do it because there does not seem to be any strong metal under there to brace the member.

It's been a long time since I looked at a Nova, but if I was forced to install a M2 in one, I'd think about using a complete stock M2 from a donor that uses strut rods. There may be some hope of finding enough metal under there to make it work.

Basically, an aftermarket M2 non-strut x-member needs heavy steel to attach to, because they are such a p*** poor design. The original Ford setup is properly designed with additional struts to help spread the load forces out over a very much larger area of the uni-body. That's why Ford could use thinner gauge x-members; because the loads are distributed properly. The shops that design & make much thicker x-members and toss the stuts out, are endangering lives.

I will go to my grave dissing the non-strut versions of the M2 kits. They are unsafe. period.

I've had a hard time in the past, trying to explain why just using a much thicker x-member still won't be safe if there are no struts. The best analogy would be cutting a leg off of a chair, and then making the other 3 out of thicker wood
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Old 03-13-2008, 04:10 AM
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Are you asking about an aftermarket M2 crossmember put into the 66-67 nova?


yes, heidts specificly


Then I would not do it because there does not seem to be any strong metal under there to brace the member.

like i said, i'm not doing a nova....or i would buy the subframe.

It's been a long time since I looked at a Nova, but if I was forced to install a M2 in one, I'd think about using a complete stock M2 from a donor that uses strut rods. There may be some hope of finding enough metal under there to make it work.

Basically, an aftermarket M2 non-strut x-member needs heavy steel to attach to, because they are such a p*** poor design. The original Ford setup is properly designed with additional struts to help spread the load forces out over a very much larger area of the uni-body. That's why Ford could use thinner gauge x-members; because the loads are distributed properly. The shops that design & make much thicker x-members and toss the stuts out, are endangering lives.

I will go to my grave dissing the non-strut versions of the M2 kits. They are unsafe. period.

I've had a hard time in the past, trying to explain why just using a much thicker x-member still won't be safe if there are no struts. The best analogy would be cutting a leg off of a chair, and then making the other 3 out of thicker wood

and that would be my question.
can i use struts with the crossmember ONLY?

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Old 03-13-2008, 04:35 AM
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by the way, i don't mean to be a plick about this BUT i'm not interested in "theory" just fact.
IF you haven't done the swap, please don't reply.
i've heard enough BS about strut rods vs non-strut rod fronts.
i'm wanting to use the stock pieces on an aftermarket x member.


btw, F&J, ever heard of a milkstool?
3 legs....
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