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63 fORD genarator to alternator conversion

I'm looking for the info on converting a 63 ford Fairlane from the stock genaraotr to alternator? I believe I remember reading that I would be a good idea to go with a GM 1 wire alternator for simplicity, but would like some info from people who have done it.
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I believe I remember reading that I would be a good idea to go with a GM 1 wire alternator for simplicity


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You crack me up



No offense, Fairlaine Dude
I have begun to think that Kultulz gets sick to his stomach every time
someone even mentions "GM"

Kultulz----I sympathize (? spelling) with your pain, even not being a Ford Fan
(The tremec in my 59 is actually a Ford tranny--even have a Bronco tank and some ford safety switches in it)

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Doc here,

Once you get it mounted...

The One wire Alternator has certain drawbacks you should be aware of..

The first is from low RPM, you need to add RPM to get the Regulator To Self Excite (Turn on..) or under sling the pulleys, it may sit there discharging..or not charging..

You Can no longer run your idiot lamp..No provision for that...

You lose the option of remote sensing..

The lighting / System May be subject to "Blooming" between stop and go...

The First line I would take..Especially if you are going for a full retro look..Give these guys a call, Ask for Don....or email:
Genernator

They make a 3 wire internal or external regulated Alternator that is in a standard Ford (I'm A Chevy Guy...I leave the Ford Q's to Kultulz..) Generator Housing..No messing with mounts... No Higher Forms of math to figure diameter of pulleys.. It will Bolt straight up to your hardware..AND look stock..(only your hairdresser will know for sure..)

I think this would be a better application.

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I have begun to think that Kultulz gets sick to his stomach every time someone even mentions "GM"

Kultulz----I sympathize (? spelling) with your pain, even not being a Ford Fan

(The tremec in my 59 is actually a Ford tranny--even have a Bronco tank and some ford safety switches in it)


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O.K, this thread recieved 4 replies to which three of them were answered by 4 year olds , and still recieved no real help. To clarify, I'm running a 93 5.0 motor and will use march pulleys and brackets to locate everything. I want to run a new style alternator and was looking for the way to go, alternator to use, wiring, and what not to do? I do appreciate the info docvette!
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O.K, this thread recieved 4 replies to which three of them were answered by 4 year olds , and still recieved no real help. To clarify...


Four year old huh? Guess I am not able to answer your question with regard to your obvious advanced degree of intelligence.

I also do not speak to those that have a FORD and the first thing out of their mouth is abomination.

Someone will help you with your DELCO-REMEDY cross-over soon I am sure...

Now where is my sleepy-toy and blanky? Think I will take a nap before my next feeding..
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O.K, I'm running a 93 5.0 motor and will use march pulleys and brackets to locate everything. I want to run a new style alternator and was looking for the way to go, alternator to use, wiring, and what not to do? I do appreciate the info docvette!
This would have been good to know right out of the gate.
As I have been reading that the One Wire systems are much easier to install,
They do have their disadvantages, some of which Doc has mentioned.
Although I may not be of any help here, I am curious as to why you would prefer the One Wire--Appearance??--Incompatability with the March mounts??
Might be much more reliable if you were to wire in an internally regulated FOMOCO alt. (do these exist??) (I think my Fords are internally regulated-not sure).

Personally, I would think that ease of parts replacement & procurment is more important.

(am NOT attempting to alter your plans)

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I have enough of a advanced degree of intelligence to now that using a GM part to possibly make the alternator installation in my ford easier and cleaner looking is not that big deal, definitely not a "abomination"unless you have that juvenile "Ford Rules" attitude! I always thought it was about the love of car's and the hobby, not a stupid high school mentality brand loyalty attitude, but that's just me I guess! Now for the adult's and "car enthusiasts", any info on the topic would be great! Bryan59EC, thanks for the input! I had been told that a 1 wire GM alternator would work, but after reading docvette's post he raises some good points about the drawback's of using them. I thought that I GM alternator would work if the bottom hole was opened up larger like the Ford in the March pulley arrangement, but do not know for sure. Any info would be appreciated!!
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When will I learn to leave posts of this type alone?

Sorry. I should have not responded. You obviously need a TRANSPLANT Specialist...
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Doc here,

Given, Retro look is not a requirement..

My Suggestion would be a Delco 3 wire...One reason is the charge lamp..Not only is it a good indicator of system support and state of charge...But a Fine first line of warning in case you blow a fan belt..Instead of a Temp gauge climbing toward the south side of 300*...

You can Self excite it..jumper the small red to the large red right on the back of the Alternator, lessening the wire count to two...OR if you find the system, being 40+ years old..has a tendency to "Bloom" on RPM Changes..Can be remotely sensed to turn the regulator on / Off quicker/longer...

For a Bare-bones system..a 63 amp would suit you nicely If you have no aftermarket air...Or a Super High performance coil (With Draws in the 40 amp range)

Or you could go up to 100 amps..Or Graduate into the CS 130/140 Series, which would require a pulley change if your not running serpentine now..

As far as a 1 wire , changing a pulley to augment lower end RPM...Is OK PROVIDED you DO NOT super-size the overspeed..Sure it will run fine ...for awhile...

If the Alternator is running , Say.., Doublespeed..It will wear internal parts, Bearings will be stressed, bushings taxed, more wear / Sparking on the slip ring pick ups..

ELECTRICALLY it taxes the unit also, as it runs harder, creating more heat, which breaks down diode substrate material leading to premature failure / Rearward Biasing..The Insulating paint (Glypt) Can Heat and Flake off under higher operating temps, leading to winding failure..

Slightly over-speeding is OK ..But only that what you need to Self Excite the Alternator from low RPM.

As far as Installing a 3 wire..Fairly simple Operation..
  • Run a RED 10 gauge to the Starter solenoid Battery side via a proper Fuse link or maxi fuse.
  • For a better remote Sense, run that small red terminal #2 terminal, To the horn relay. If not needed, for a better, neater wire count, just jump it to terminal #1.
  • For your Charge lamp , Isolate your lamp circuit now, (should be at the regulator now..) And connect that to Terminal #3.
  • Run a 10 Gauge BLACK wire from the GRD or G lug to the area of your ground terminal buss (Should be at or near the starter.)


Delco 12SI series

That's it..pretty simple..If you want to run a CS 130/140 Series..the wire count and destination is pretty much the same, BUT requires some jumping at the 5 wire plug..and a pulley change..

So you have tons of options out there to fit your needs. Let us know your choice!

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Docvette, thank you very much for that info! That was exactly what I was looking for (pictures and all), and the 3 wire sounds like a good idea in an excited arrangement, possibly slightly over speed!
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Doc here,

No sweat!.. Thats what we are all here for!

Keep us updated!

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