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Old 01-29-2012, 08:54 PM
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63 Futura to Chevy 350?

So Bought A 1963 Ford Falcon Futura about 5 months ago, I always wanted one since HS. but about a 3 weeks ago my 170ci Stop working I spend about $500 on Parts and labor, after a week of use it broke down again....!!! so my father (being the Chevy Fan that he is) Gave me a 350 SBC w/matching trany, now,!! I rather have a 302 or 351w,but my budget wont allow it, I have spend over $5000 on cosmetic repairs on My Baby already, so i'm broke and with out a car. can this be done? and if so. what do i need for motor mounts trany mounts and do I need to change my suspension ? I need it running by next week, any advise will be appreciated.

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It's not a bolt in by any means, looks like the shock towers and exhaust are major issues, not to mention the weak rear-end. Do a search here and Google it.

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So Bought A 1963 Ford Falcon Futura about 5 months ago, I always wanted one since HS. but about a 3 weeks ago my 170ci Stop working I spend about $500 on Parts and labor, after a week of use it broke down again....!!! so my father (being the Chevy Fan that he is) Gave me a 350 SBC w/matching trany, now,!! I rather have a 302 or 351w,but my budget wont allow it, I have spend over $5000 on cosmetic repairs on My Baby already, so i'm broke and with out a car. can this be done? and if so. what do i need for motor mounts trany mounts and do I need to change my suspension ? I need it running by next week, any advise will be appreciated.
I would find another running 170 cid six and bolt it in and go! Will be cheaper than swapping in a SBC, quicker swap from start to finish, too.

A 200 straight 6 will fit but the trans bolt pattern of your 170 (if original 5 bolt) and a 200 from '66(?)-up (6 bolt) are different although I've heard some 200's had both bolt patterns. So this might go easier w/an engine and trans bolted up to it already.
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So Bought A 1963 Ford Falcon Futura about 5 months ago, I always wanted one since HS. but about a 3 weeks ago my 170ci Stop working I spend about $500 on Parts and labor, after a week of use it broke down again....!!! so my father (being the Chevy Fan that he is) Gave me a 350 SBC w/matching trany, now,!! I rather have a 302 or 351w,but my budget wont allow it, I have spend over $5000 on cosmetic repairs on My Baby already, so i'm broke and with out a car. can this be done? and if so. what do i need for motor mounts trany mounts and do I need to change my suspension ? I need it running by next week, any advise will be appreciated.
302 is as close to a bolt in as it will ever come, the 1963 offered the 260 as an option which is the same external dimensions as the 302, the 63 V8 Falcon was the pilot for the 1964 Mustang. The 1964 thru 1966 Mustang parts for rear end, drive shaft and suspension are a bolt in.

The 350 Chev is wider than the 221-302, it presents the same exhaust problems that the 351 for does, but is doable, it adds about 70 pounds over the front axle compared to the 221-302 block unless you use aluminum heads and intake.

An increasingly common swap is a bit of a cross breed using a Ford Windsor (221-302) block with a Chev 200R4, TH350, 700R4, 4L60 tranny as these are a lot more common and longer lived than the Ford C4 or AOD. Certainly an older 4 speed stick like a T-10 or Top-Loader or a newer Tremac 5 speed could be used as well.

The Windsor comes in two bellhousing bolt patterns, the early 221, 260, and 289 production thru the 1964 model year. These use a 5 bolt bellhousing pattern. Starting with the 1965 thru the end of production the Windsor uses a 6 bolt pattern. So to keep you straight the year of engine and transmission need to match unless you want to get into an adapter situation.

A V8 either going with the Ford or a Chevy is preferable to using the later inline 6's, these are poorly thought out and poorly executed engines that are an expensive PIA to get performance out of, best left to those 6 cylinder enthusiasts who, like Alfa-Romeo folks, are willing to put out the continuous effort and expense to make them run well. The simple and long term reliable approach is a V8.

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I'd think it'd be a good candidate for a 2.3L Turbo, out of the Turbocoupe, the oilpan for an early
Courier pick-up would be needed...
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Many good ideas (especially a 4 cylinder turbo) were it not for:
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I need it running by next week...
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I would find another running 170 cid six and bolt it in and go! Will be cheaper than swapping in a SBC, quicker swap from start to finish, too.

A 200 straight 6 will fit but the trans bolt pattern of your 170 (if original 5 bolt) and a 200 from '66(?)-up (6 bolt) are different although I've heard some 200's had both bolt patterns. So this might go easier w/an engine and trans bolted up to it already.
X2 with Mark on this, you do only have a week you know.



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Mustang guys practically give the 200's away. getting 1 of those would be easiest/ cheapest. '66-'69 were drilled for both patterns IIRC..

200/250 I6 can be built for performance, but it does cost..
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another 1 post wonder...
i'm surprised he didn't want 500 hp too
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i'm surprised he didn't want 500 hp too
Sure looks that way.




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Thank you Gentlemen for all of your help,
I do understand the extra labor and Money that have to go into this Frankenstein project, I already put the SBC on the market and will move on to look for a 302, but lets say I do keep the SBC and cant get SBF , aside from the fact of the tower work and modification to the shaft, what mounts will I need?
500Hp huh......sounds good, http://www.hotrodders.com/forum/newr...e=1&p=1520968#
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