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67 Camaro wheel turns in when jacked up

My son has a 1967 Chevrolet Camero and when we jack it up the right front wheel will turn in . I don't mean camber change like any car will do . The right wheel turns like you turned the steering wheel to the left . It turns alot . He has replaced both control arms and we have measured the sub frame it's right on the money . He has had it on a frt end machine and it lines up . but it drives like crap . I know the wheel has to be trying to turn going down the road when It hit a dip in the road . What's wrong ? Is the spindle bent ? The tie rods are new , the Idle arm is new , He has replaced every thing but the spindle . Sure could use some help on this .
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How much does it turn, could the wheel bearings be to big,or worn or the spindle worn,Put it on a lackstand and lay under it with a light and have someone turn the wheel,and see whai is moving.

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That's a strange one.

I think I would lay under there with a tape measure. The only thing I can think of right now, is that MAYBE the center link is off to one side.

What I mean is, IF one side tierod was adjusted WAY to short, and the opposite side was adjusted WAY too long....then the "toe in" would still check out OK, but the centerlink would be off to one side. (the pitman arm & idler arm would also not be straight in the dead-ahead steering position)

But, if it was like that, the car would be able to turn way tighter one way versus the other way.

If the link is way off to one side, that screws up the pivot location of the outer tierods and "could" cause what you are getting.
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If you own the car, at least spell the name of it correctly.... It's "CAMARO", not "CAMERO"...
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If it isn't what F&J said, my next question would be....Did you replace the center link?

Is it the right one?

A different length centerlink would keep the geometry correct on the left side, because it locates off of the pitman arm. but if it was too long or short on the right side it would cause the bumpsteer like you describe.

I'd start by looking at the position of the inner tie rod ends in relation to the lower control arm pivots side to side, is everything symetrical? A giveaway would be that one tie rod assembled lenghth would be different.

Is the idler arm correct? A shorter or longer idler arm will mess stuff up like that too.

Look for symmetry between all of the pivot points and the frame.

Also measure from a point on the rim to the steering arms, see if both sides match...maybe the car got hit and bent a steering arm. That might cause your problem also.


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If you own the car, at least spell the name of it correctly.... It's "CAMARO", not "CAMERO"...
BlownBigBlock447. If you are going to hammer on someones otherwise good post for spelling one word wrong, at least offer some technical advice. Everyone here knew what the guy meant when he wrote Camero...Or try to correct folks without appearing angry about it. This is a fairly friendly board.

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If you own the car, at least spell the name of it correctly.... It's "CAMARO", not "CAMERO"...
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was the car aligned yet?
if not get it done then troubleshoot the problem.
I say this because mine had the same problem and the tie rod was out by 1/2 inch.
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--Along with what others have said--

This may sound stupid, but I would check that the tie rods are mounted on the same side of the spindle - I think it's to the bottom of the arm on the spindle for the camaro.

I had some bump steer in my street rod when I first built it, and the problem was that the location of the pivots for the steering was not offset evenly from the actual suspension pivots, I had mounted the rack too low with respect to the crossmember. Also, IIRC, the tie rod should be pretty close to parallel to the suspension arm itself, which on a "stock" suspension vehicle should be designed into the suspension.

Here's a quick sketch of what I'm babbling about. I'm no expert, just trying to give a little help. The first sketch is incorrect (like how my street rod was set up, with the inner tie rod end too low), the second is what you should be shooting for. Look how the tie rod (smaller piece) is at the same angle as the bottom arm, and the pivot points are offset the same amount.

If only the right wheel is having this problem, I would think that the cause should be fairly visible when looking closely at one side versus the other.

If all else fails, ask some street rod guys about who does their alignments - a sharp mechanic should be able to tell you what's going on. Not just any alignment shop will do. That's how I learned what was wrong with mine.
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67 "CAMARO"

Thank for all the suggestions . First I know it's not the Wheel bearing ! Just about every thing is new on this frt end so I have been thinking along the lines that maybe the tie rod sleeve also or Idler arm . They are new also but maybe they sent us the wrong one . I had some trouble with my 40 Ford coupe with a Mustang II frt end and bump steer . But this one is way way more than what I had and Nothing seem wrong . As far as the spelling goes , so sue me !

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so sue me !

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LOL we are just bustin your balls!
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Maybe he really does have a camero.
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Make sure somebody didn't put a Chevelle steering arm or two on it. That will screw up the bumpsteer.

And make sure both steering arms are the same length. First-gen Camaros and their corresponding Nova semi-clones had about three different steering arm lengths available, and mixing them up on the same car can make it steer weirdly. Left and right should be mirror images of each other, and should be the same length.
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Just looking at some of my old post and came across this one. Thanks! What good are friends if you can't use them.
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Just looking at some of my old post and came across this one. Thanks! What good are friends if you can't use them.
So don't keep use all in suspense, tell us what the fix was...others may look at this post in the future looking to resolve a similar problem.
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Make sure the ball joints in the tie rods are centered. Loosen the adjustment sleeve, twist each joint to find the center, then tighten the sleeve up with the wheels pointing straight and the car on the ground...

Alignment shops are good for leaving the sleeve locking bolt in the wrong position and the joints in a locked position...

You will get better results fine tuning the settings after a generic alignment..
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