[cobalt327]

It was almost like Ma Mopar 'favored' Dodge as their performance arm of the company. Maybe more funding...

My father always liked Pontiacs from WAY back, as well as Mopars, but we ended up w/more Chrysler 'family' cars than either Dodge or Plymouth- although we had a cherry '35 Plymouth coupe, all original.

[poncho62]

Dont know about the US, but the Valiant line was not a Plymouth here for a few years.....up to 64-65, I think......and, actually, I think the first year of Barracuda was a Valiant, not a Plymouth......I am sure a MOPAR guy will come and state what was what.

[cobalt327]

Sure 'nuff- the Valiant was marketed as a separate marque, alongside Plymouth, Dodge, DeSoto and Imperial, etc. More HERE.

[69DartGT]

Always liked Pontiacs especially the late 50's early 60's 389/421 factory hot rods.
Anybody else old enough to remember Royal Pontiac race cars at Detroit Dragway? Or the factory cars with the cheese grater frames, they hole sawed the frame to lighten them up a little, plus I think some of the body panels were aluminum?

This is off google hope its okay to post.

[1971BB427]

Originally the Dodge Dart was a full size Dodge, and was called the "Pioneer Dart". Friend of mine had one back in hi school and I was shocked to see the name on it because it was such a huge car.

[OLNOLAN]

Originally Posted by joestevensphotos

Happens to me all of the time but more so when my kids say, "you never told me to do that" and I reply with well I thought I did. This is too much of an information age. Always new technical gadgets, new things on the computer and I haven't even learned the basic practically. I just try to stay on top of things. All I want to do is archived and scan these neg's & digitize them to my website so that people can go there to browse or buy. It's a lot easier than going to some of these car meets. You can get pretty dirty and they're loiud but fun. All this stuff I get done eventually is going to be donated to the Detroit Automotive Section of the Library when I get old unless by sons want it. But hey now, you guys have a whole new site to go to to check out cool pictures. and you can get a link to one or more of them to add here I beleive but they'll still hava a watermark.

I can't believe you made that man take down the photos. If you can't market your Daddy's photos for a profit, then you need to create a different marketing strategy. Your website would be the last website I would ever think of visiting. Oh, I ain't gonna give you any of my money neither. olnolan

[BillyShope]

Originally Posted by 69DartGT

Always liked Pontiacs especially the late 50's early 60's 389/421 factory hot rods.
Anybody else old enough to remember Royal Pontiac race cars at Detroit Dragway? Or the factory cars with the cheese grater frames, they hole sawed the frame to lighten them up a little, plus I think some of the body panels were aluminum?

I started dragracing at the Cordova, Illinois strip in '56. That's the home strip of Arnie Beswick, with his Passionate Poncho Pontiac. In '56, however, he was running a Dodge D501 ("stock" with a Chrysler hemi). I happened to visit the strip in the summer of '60 and caught a race between his Pontiac and the Royal Pontiac. Cordova didn't have the Christmas tree yet, so the starter would point first at the Royal Pontiac and then at Arnie, lifting his flag when Arnie left. Don't know if this was something the Royal team agreed to or not. Anyway, it made for some close racing. And, since it was Pontiac against Pontiac, it didn't make a whole lot of difference.
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[mud.man.rj]

Aren't they building a Mercury Comet F/X car on Muscle car.

[69DartGT]

Bill those were the good old days, I was at the 1960 Nationals at Detroit Dragway, run D/Gas back then, my wife worked the hot dog stand and I had our daughter in a baby buggy walking around the pits, when I made a run my wife would take a break and watch our daughter, I went out 1st or second round & got to enjoy the rest of the Nationals. I recall I think one of the Ramchargers running C/Gas in a 53 Dodge getting injured when a flywheel or cluth let go. Those were the 180 degree shield days.

[bentwings]

There were a couple of 'cheese crates' here. I do remember them being trailered after they found that the cars bent the frames from the lightening holes. They also had scissors jacks to support the frames on the trailers.

A friend had a couple of Pontiacs of the vintage but not 'cheese crates'. He had a good connection at the Pontiac headquarters. He still has some of the original rare factory stuff. Says he plans on taking it to the grave with him. In a 100 years thay can dig him up and see if it is still there.

[BillyShope]

Originally Posted by 69DartGT

I recall I think one of the Ramchargers running C/Gas in a 53 Dodge getting injured when a flywheel or cluth let go. Those were the 180 degree shield days.

Wayne Erickson died of his injuries.
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[sqzbox]

Hey cobalt, When's the last time you seen one of these? Let alone two?
Can you guess what kind of car it's in?

[cobalt327]

Originally Posted by sqzbox

Hey cobalt, When's the last time you seen one of these? Let alone two?
Can you guess what kind of car it's in?

It's been a long time- neigh on 40 years- since I saw one in the driveway.

I'll guess it's shoehorned into an early "A"-body.

[sqzbox]

I can't remember myself. I'll have to go back and visit charlie again as I took the pic last summer and he doesn't work on his car's in the winter. Charlie is another hoarder and has an old warehouse full of classic Mopars he won't sell either. Right now he's working on his latest project, a 35 Chrysler.

[BillyShope]

Originally Posted by sqzbox

Hey cobalt, When's the last time you seen one of these? Let alone two?
Can you guess what kind of car it's in?

Interesting story behind that manifold. Dyno runs indicated huge increases in peak torque. Driving impressions were very favorable. Engine Design managers were pushing for its release. But, those in Vehicle Performance (where performance is calculated) pointed out that, when it comes to full throttle acceleration, peak torque is meaningless. So, it became a battle in middle management (meaning engineers weren't involved). The Engine Design people had the clout and the manifold was released for production. Vehicle Performance wanted to have a side-by-side comparison at the Proving Grounds, but this was denied. After the release, Vehicle Performance bootlegged a Proving Ground comparison between the long branch ram and the conventional in-line dual quad manifold. In other words, it was a dragrace. The in-line "ran off and hid," as the saying goes. In order to get half-way decent performance from the long branch, racers were forced to cut into them and remove much of the inner dividing wall and then weld them back up. The later short version was far superior.
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