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Old 10-23-2005, 09:33 PM
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79 monte carlo will not start

a buddys 79 monte will not start, parked it then next day tried start it and it would just turn over and over. his grandpa and father looked at it and they said it had no spark and thought it was the coil in the distribitor, i went and installed a new coil, tried to turn it over and the battery was very low only got a 1/8 turn maybe so i boosted it with my car and it got the monte turning over maybe 2 turns and then all of a sudden the monte just died, try to crank it and the interior ligths just dim and thats it. no starter clicking or anything. i checked fuses and they are all fine. got dark so i had to call it a night.

this has me stumped, seems like multiple problems

does anyone have any ideas whats wrong?

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Old 10-23-2005, 10:00 PM
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Sounds to me like the starter or solenoid or both (I just buy a new starter when the similar happens to me) are shot to me concerning the dimming lights and non cranking. No spark could be the battery power wire to the cap losing contact or the ignition module under the rotor. At least that's where I would start after getting it to crank. A while back, I had a thread in the electrical section about bench testing GM starters and solenoids. Maybe that will help you out too.

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Old 10-23-2005, 10:05 PM
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i also checked with a test light and its getting power with ingition on at the hot wire hooked up to the distribitor. and i also tried to tap the starter case with a hammer a few times and did nothing
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Have you got a remote starter (a screwdriver will do it, but I don't endorse it) and a multimeter? Jump the solenoid and see if it'll crank. If you can get it to crank at all, check the while-cranking voltage. Might even be a short in a battery cable.

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Old 10-23-2005, 10:16 PM
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i actually did try that, i jumpered the big power wire from battery to the small upper one and the gear engaged could hear it click in to the flywheel but wouldnt turn over
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Sounds like it's time for a new starter to me. You just can't buy good luck these day's can ya??

In a while, Chet.

Check out the fusible links too, I almost forgot to tell you about them. That's why my '84 wouldn't crank. Both links were bad.
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also i did a test light test, the large power wire terminal on the starter always has power but the other 2 smaller terminals do not have power with inigition off, on or key turned to cranking. not even a noise of the gear engaging when the key is turned. only get the engaging when i short curcit it with a metal object.

seems to me its a starter/wiring problem of the no cranking. or with a bad starter would that be normal?

bad thing is the car is like 25 miles away in the city so next time i go up there i hope i get it running.
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the FIRST thing you need to do is...

Charge that dead battery.. Remove it from the car if you must to get it fully charged and/or checked out to see if its bad. Then with a fully charged or new battery try and start the monte.


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Another situation to look at is the timing chain. If the timing chain has slipped, it will change the timing to where it won't turn over at times or will backfire thru the carb. If any of this is happening plan to change it. Pull the distributor cap and try to crank the engine. Watch the rotor. If it doesn't turn constantly with the engine turning over it is time for a chain.

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Did you fix it?

Doc here,

Did this get fixed?

First do the obvious, turn the engine with your hands or a breaker bar to insure it didn't freeze...

If it turns by hand, Go to the starter, on the solenoid, you will see the big main bolt, (with the battery cable on it), and directly below it, another that goes straight into the starter motor..jump that..

If the starter motor (not the starter drive) starts to turn slowly and picks up speed..replace the starter. If it spins up to top speed right away, it's probably good..

With a meter, or if your working alone, run a jumper to the horn (so you can hear it..) locate the "S" wire on the solenoid..put the meter or horn here, then go hit start on the ignition, you should see 12 volts, or sound the horn when you go into start..If not you may have a bad link, bad wire or reversed at the "R" or "I" terminals and "s" terminal...Or the switch may be bad..(however if it won't crank by jumping "S" to battery It's probably good)

Charge the battery at 6 amps for 10 or more hours, and load check it..auto zombie will do it for free..If it's good reinstall it, CLEAN the cables, and look for corrosion under the cable insulation..If you find any, replace it (them)

Set your ground up as follows:

The battery cable ground to any handy bolt at or near the starter on the block,

Get a battery cable that has 2~ 3/8 ring terminals on it ($6 bucks at wally mart or auto parts place) and ground that bolt to the frame..

From that engine block ground at the starter, run 2 #10 wires, the first to the firewall, and the second to the alternator ground lug or mount bolt...

USE proper Star washers, Sheet-metal screws / bolts and locks, and burnish ALL the paint and grease from the grounding areas..this will give you a rugged reliable grounding system that will most likely outlast the car...

Let us know...

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If the engine was cranking over ok at first I would almost bet the timing chain jumped.
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a buddys 79 monte will not start, .... so i boosted it with my car and it got the monte turning over maybe 2 turns and then all of a sudden the monte just died, try to crank it and the interior ligths just dim and thats it. no starter clicking or anything. i checked fuses and they are all fine. got dark so i had to call it a night.

this has me stumped, seems like multiple problems

does anyone have any ideas whats wrong?
Doc here,

This is indicative of a heavy load on the source current...(shorted starter OR froze engine..)

Most likely the starter threw a winding, the solenoid shorted turns on the coil, or the starter mechanically bound and froze up..Or the worst case the rotating mass froze..

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his father had it towed to a garage thats going to work on it, i offered my help. i told him all the info you guys said to try and track the problem down faster. its getting worked on tommarow i guess.

once its fixed i will let you guys know what was wrong.

Thank you for All of your help!
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my curiosity tells me sounds like a bad solenoid....considering it kills the battery.(common gm issue).....but timing chain could be the culprit...

hot starter..Hmm over cranking? Killing the battery.. faulty ignition module could be a problem. if it is all the over cranking would have been un necessary.
just a thought!

Looking forward to the resolve....
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