Hotrodders.com -- Hot Rod Forum



Register FAQ Search Today's Posts Unanswered Posts
Hotrodders Bulletin Board > Tech Help> General Rodding Tech
User Name
Password
lost password?   |   register now

Register now (free) or login to remove ads

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread share on Facebook  
  #1  
Old 10-28-2009, 03:19 AM
motorhead09 motorhead09 is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Ohio
Posts: 3
Wiki Edits: 0

'92 S10 V-8 Swap

I was wondering how hard it would be to drop a 305 or 350 into my '92 4.3L V-6 S10. I have a buddy who has all the mounts he'll give me and I can pick up a motor cheap but I wasn't sure if I'd need to pick up a new trans or not. I can find 305's for a few hundred and the 350s are just a bit more around here. Also would I really see THAT much of a power increase with a 350 over a 305, would it be worth the sacrifice of fuel? Trying to finish a project without dad's help for once so thanks for any help you can provide lol.
Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links

Register now (free) or login to remove ads
  #2  
Old 10-28-2009, 11:20 AM
techinspector1's Avatar
techinspector1 techinspector1 is offline
Senior Curmudgeon
 
Last wiki edit: Edelbrock Performer carb tuning Last photo:
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: In da woods, Union County, North Carolina, USA
Age: 69
Posts: 8,582
Wiki Edits: 323

There is too much involved with any engine swap to address it here. I suggest you get this publication, written by those who have "been there, done that" and read it through several times before beginning.....
http://www.jagsthatrun.com/Pages/Ch...t_S-10_V-8.html

As far as a 305 vs 350, consider that the 305 has a tiny little 3.736" bore compared to a 4.000" bore on the 350. This alone would be reason enough for me to begin with a 350 block. There needs to be enough room between the edge of the intake valve and the cylinder bore to allow a nicely-formed kernel of mixture to pass into the cylinder without it being deformed by the proximity of the valve to the bore. This is tough to accomplish with the small bore, unless you use really small valves and really small valves defeat the purpose of doing an engine swap in the first place.

Now, having said that, realize that there are probably millions of 305's out there running every day and serving their owners admirably. You just need to pull your horns in concerning power expectations between a 305 and a 350. Anyway, that's my opinion.
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 10-28-2009, 12:53 PM
Rustydawg's Avatar
Rustydawg Rustydawg is offline
Cruzin w/Elvis in Bigfoots UFO
 
Last photo:
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Edmonton AB, Great White North
Age: 46
Posts: 243
Wiki Edits: 0

You might want to look into warming over your 4.3L over the 305 swap. Later model Vortec heads, mild camshaft and exhaust improvements should buy you considerably better breathing and the shortblock will never have to come out. It's got a lot going for it compared to a 305 swap.
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 10-28-2009, 01:50 PM
fast68's Avatar
fast68 fast68 is offline
likes chevy trucks & boobies
 
Last photo:
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: IL
Posts: 1,968
Wiki Edits: 0

many issues including exhaust engine mounts and more.

ECM/chip change, bigger injectors,

radiator and fan issues

etc.

4.3L dont seem to be any better fuel mileage than a v-8

none that ive ever owned have been anyways

i the 4.3L runs fine then id probably leave it be

these 4.3L run great and strong when in good condition

my 197k miles 92 one is staying put because it runs so strong it will roast the tire off the rim for as long as i want to

only mods are that i modified the uel pressure regulator to increase fuel and it has full custom y pipe and dual split exhausts and no converter


very easily and will outrun pretty much anything i want

much fun

no need for a v8 in mine
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 10-28-2009, 01:55 PM
runn141's Avatar
runn141 runn141 is offline
SB S10
 
Last photo:
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location:
Posts: 1,191
Wiki Edits: 0

Quote:
Originally Posted by motorhead09
I was wondering how hard it would be to drop a 305 or 350 into my '92 4.3L V-6 S10. I have a buddy who has all the mounts he'll give me and I can pick up a motor cheap but I wasn't sure if I'd need to pick up a new trans or not. I can find 305's for a few hundred and the 350s are just a bit more around here. Also would I really see THAT much of a power increase with a 350 over a 305, would it be worth the sacrifice of fuel? Trying to finish a project without dad's help for once so thanks for any help you can provide lol.

you will see a difference in a 350 from a 305 and a difference in a 305 from a lazy arse 4.3 gas addict. you will get better fuel mileage from a v8, if not the same as a 4.3. i never could understand the 4.3 over a 305 decision.
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 10-28-2009, 01:56 PM
fast68's Avatar
fast68 fast68 is offline
likes chevy trucks & boobies
 
Last photo:
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: IL
Posts: 1,968
Wiki Edits: 0

not all 4.3 are lazy

you should drive mine some time


vehicle weight, exhaust system, and axle ratio make a huge difference


mine screams

evne some 305 i have had have been really super strong, more so than many bigger engines, especially the L69 305 engines in the 80s, 190hp ones which are common in the 83 84 85 86 years of F bodies and G bodies

just because its not big doesnt mean it doesnt run good

just look at the old 327 and 283 engines. they would scream. deeper axle ratio helps alot though
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 10-28-2009, 01:59 PM
runn141's Avatar
runn141 runn141 is offline
SB S10
 
Last photo:
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location:
Posts: 1,191
Wiki Edits: 0

Quote:
Originally Posted by techinspector1
There is too much involved with any engine swap to address it here. I suggest you get this publication, written by those who have "been there, done that" and read it through several times before beginning.....
http://www.jagsthatrun.com/Pages/Ch...t_S-10_V-8.html

As far as a 305 vs 350, consider that the 305 has a tiny little 3.736" bore compared to a 4.000" bore on the 350. This alone would be reason enough for me to begin with a 350 block. There needs to be enough room between the edge of the intake valve and the cylinder bore to allow a nicely-formed kernel of mixture to pass into the cylinder without it being deformed by the proximity of the valve to the bore. This is tough to accomplish with the small bore, unless you use really small valves and really small valves defeat the purpose of doing an engine swap in the first place.

Now, having said that, realize that there are probably millions of 305's out there running every day and serving their owners admirably. You just need to pull your horns in concerning power expectations between a 305 and a 350. Anyway, that's my opinion.
most late model 305's have the #416 casting head which are 1.84/1.50 valve, and have an intake runner size of the 350. probably wont breathe past 6,000 rpm, but at 6,000 rpm a smallblock in an s10 with a 3.42 gear is close to 140 mph. you cant beat the power to weight ratio.
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 10-28-2009, 02:07 PM
runn141's Avatar
runn141 runn141 is offline
SB S10
 
Last photo:
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location:
Posts: 1,191
Wiki Edits: 0

Quote:
Originally Posted by fast68
not all 4.3 are lazy

you should drive mine some time


vehicle weight, exhaust system, and axle ratio make a huge difference


mine screams

evne some 305 i have had have been really super strong, more so than many bigger engines, especially the L69 305 engines in the 80s, 190hp ones which are common in the 83 84 85 86 years of F bodies and G bodies

just because its not big doesnt mean it doesnt run good

just look at the old 327 and 283 engines. they would scream. deeper axle ratio helps alot though
their power isnt worth the fuel mileage i get out of them. i vote 305 over a 4.3 any day. im sure yours screams but think if you had those 2 extra cylinders.
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 10-28-2009, 03:19 PM
motorhead09 motorhead09 is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Ohio
Posts: 3
Wiki Edits: 0

Thanks for the quick replies everyone!

I don't really have any problems with the 4.3L other than the fuel consumption seems a little high for being a V6. Figured if I'm only gonna get around 18-20mpg I might as well upgrade to something with a little more balls to it... know what I mean?

I'm seeing most people are leaning towards the 305 which is nice cause those are plentiful here in Dayton, Ohio.

Still didn't see anyone mention the transmission. I've been told it will bolt right up while others have said I'll need to swap.

Thanks again for all the help I knew this was the place to go for help
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 10-28-2009, 07:31 PM
runn141's Avatar
runn141 runn141 is offline
SB S10
 
Last photo:
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location:
Posts: 1,191
Wiki Edits: 0

Quote:
Originally Posted by motorhead09
Thanks for the quick replies everyone!

I don't really have any problems with the 4.3L other than the fuel consumption seems a little high for being a V6. Figured if I'm only gonna get around 18-20mpg I might as well upgrade to something with a little more balls to it... know what I mean?

I'm seeing most people are leaning towards the 305 which is nice cause those are plentiful here in Dayton, Ohio.

Still didn't see anyone mention the transmission. I've been told it will bolt right up while others have said I'll need to swap.

Thanks again for all the help I knew this was the place to go for help

if your v8 is gonna be stock to mild cam. i say a 350 turbo trans with a 400 turbo 13 inch torque converter. great down the highway with a 3.42 gear or higher. ive never got any worse than 15mpg with v8 s10s. ive got a 94 ss with a 4.3 right now that gets 14 mpg.
Reply With Quote
  #11  
Old 10-29-2009, 08:37 AM
briskedm's Avatar
briskedm briskedm is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: VA
Posts: 29
Wiki Edits: 0

my v-8 s 10 was a direct swap, from a 98 4.3 to a 98 5.7, trans mounts up, fuel pumps are the same, some relocating moter mounts from summit, v-8 s10 headers (wrap around the steering shaft), small modification to the firewall (dent it) bend up the pinch weld, some low profile electric fans, propor fuel/ecm setup and your driving, mods down the road (get it in and running right first) are mild camshaft, trans freshen up, rear end/gears, suspension upgrade (to get that light rear end to hook up)
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 11-03-2009, 01:05 PM
alteredrides alteredrides is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Middletown, CT
Posts: 3
Wiki Edits: 0

I did a 350 swap to my '95 S10 in about a week, including painting the frame, modifing the crossmember and getting it running. I scrapped the stock gas tank for a fuel cell and an Aeromotive fuel pump with -10 feed and -8 return lines. The work wasn't bad if you have all the tools. I did this in my driveway. The first time around the truck made 323hp and 322ft/lbs to the wheels pushing 5.5lbs of boost with a weiand 177 blower
Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old 11-03-2009, 01:08 PM
SDLuck SDLuck is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: San Jose Ca
Age: 59
Posts: 470
Wiki Edits: 0

JTR claims that you can upgrade to a 3.08 with the 700r4 in a v8 s10.
Reply With Quote
  #14  
Old 11-03-2009, 04:35 PM
S10 Racer's Avatar
S10 Racer S10 Racer is online now
**1989 S10 - BBC 461 **
 
Last photo:
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: At the TIKI Bar
Age: 52
Posts: 1,019
Wiki Edits: 0

Quote:
Originally Posted by runn141
ive never got any worse than 15mpg with v8 s10s.

My "89" BBC 461 gets (10) 1/4 mile runs on 8 gallons including warmups & return lane trips.
Attached Thumbnails
Click image for larger version

Name:  BBCS10_1.jpg
Views: 25
Size:  57.0 KB  
Attached Images
 
Reply With Quote
  #15  
Old 11-03-2009, 04:54 PM
cobalt327's Avatar
cobalt327 cobalt327 is online now
Neglego HOC! ,!,,
 
Last wiki edit: How to rebuild automotive carburetors
Last journal entry: 1980 Malibu Wagon
Last photo:
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Atlanta
Age: 57
Posts: 14,976
Wiki Edits: 223

Quote:
Originally Posted by S10 Racer
My "89" BBC 461 gets (10) 1/4 mile runs on 8 gallons including warmups & return lane trips.
Just curious- ever done any testing to see if leaving the rear gate on helps the aero? I heard it did...
Reply With Quote

Back to top

Recent General Rodding Tech posts with photos



Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Similar Threads for: "'92 S10 V-8 Swap"
ThreadThread StarterForumRepliesLast Post
Cut Wire - Where should it go?? 92 S10 Blazerklutchmaster427Electrical510-28-2009 12:08 PM
Any from nc done a sreet legal s10 v8 swap?gdavEngine606-14-2008 09:51 PM
87 s10 2.8 v6 to 3.4 v6 crate engine swap info needed87sdime4x4Engine107-23-2006 08:15 PM
S10 700R4 to 76 Blazer swapDrewnashtyTransmission - Rearend606-12-2006 10:30 PM
Rearend swap from S10?yesgoTransmission - Rearend002-12-2004 03:07 AM



Powered by: vBulletin Version 3.0.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2012, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.

Content Relevant URLs by vBSEO 2.3.2 © 2005, Crawlability, Inc.
All times are GMT -6. The time now is 10:02 AM.
Copyright Hotrodders.com 1999 - 2012. All Rights Reserved.