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Brake issues F-150 ... please help.

I have a 2005 F150. It has 41,000 miles on it. I have an 5 year/75,000 premium warranty. I've had brake issues. At 20,000 miles, I had to have the rotors turned. The brake pads were in great shape and didn't need changing. Having the rotors turned helped for about 7,000 miles. The truck is bouncing all over the road again with brake vibrations. The Ford place tells me I need to change the rotors. The rotors are $250 a piece. I wonder if the more expensive brake pads are so agressive, that they do this to the rotors. I wonder if the cheap pads would at least add life to the rotors. If I change out all 4 rotors, that's $1,000. All 4 brake pads is $120. That's $1,120 dollars on a truck that is under full warranty with no labor cost. Not to mention that they said to get all the vibration out, I might need to change the rack and pinion. Does this seem right?

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do you do alot of towing, hard braking or lots of city driving with this truck? If so, it's probably time to replace those brakes.
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I think I would go w/ parts store brand SEMI metallic pads.... what you have now is ither Full metallic or a very hard ceramic, both of which, will have you replacing rotors before brake pads.. maby you could cut the rotors once more.. mic them up and see. you need .015 above the min b4 cutting... but taking .02 off normally cleans a savable rotor up.
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I have a friend that had the same problem with his Superduty.

He replaced the front rotors with aftermarket units and cured the problem. The aftermarket rotors were way thicker than the factory units.

He had the truck back to the dealer multiple times under waranty and they gave him feedback that it was caused by tire dressing getting on the rotors
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do you do alot of towing, hard braking or lots of city driving with this truck? If so, it's probably time to replace those brakes.

no, mostly just plain highway driving/
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I'm a little confused. You say you have a warrenty, but then say how much it will cost to replace the brakes. So the warrenty does not cover the brakes, right? If thats the case, don't bother with the dealer and fix them yourself or go to any other brake shop.

And $250 for a rotor? I think I paid around $300 for all four rotor and pads to replace on my '03 F150. Maybe the new chassis has different brakes?

Are you front wheels always covered with brake dust? If so sounds like someone might be a little heavy on the brake pedal.
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The Brembo front rotors and new brakes for my F150 4x4 were less then $200 from Tire Rack.

The brakes for my '06 Super Duty were $87 for all 4 wheels - these are Raybestos and from Rock Auto. Ford has already replaced the rotors at their expense at 38,000 but I expect that I'll have to put better pieces on soon. From Rock Auto the Raybestos are $62 ea for the front and $67 ea for the rears.

Can you do your own work or not? If not the Ford dealer will charge you $50 - $100 per hour and put the same OEM non premium quality stuff back on. And the front rotors can be a BIT@H to remove (a hacksaw along with a BFH, and an hour's work will do it for the fronts).

Brakes are usually not covered under a standard warranty.

If it's wandering all over the road, has more then 50,000 miles(and sometimes much less), wearing tires on the inside, it WILL need new ball joints - get the greaseable MOOGs. Ford will, again, put their junk back on and in another couple of years, another $1000/$1200. I did all four for about $225 (plus a $60 alignment) including buying a 1 3/8" socket and a new pickle fork.
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I'm a little confused. You say you have a warrenty, but then say how much it will cost to replace the brakes. So the warrenty does not cover the brakes, right? If thats the case, don't bother with the dealer and fix them yourself or go to any other brake shop.

And $250 for a rotor? I think I paid around $300 for all four rotor and pads to replace on my '03 F150. Maybe the new chassis has different brakes?

Are you front wheels always covered with brake dust? If so sounds like someone might be a little heavy on the brake pedal.

They changed the rotors on 04. They say the warranty doesn't cover rotors or pads. it covers boosters and calipers. These rotors come with bearing assemblies and actually cost $240 instead of $250. The brake shop even says that the rotors on 04's and 05's have been having to be replaced beacause they don't turn good. I have no brake dust problems.
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The Brembo front rotors and new brakes for my F150 4x4 were less then $200 from Tire Rack.

The brakes for my '06 Super Duty were $87 for all 4 wheels - these are Raybestos and from Rock Auto. Ford has already replaced the rotors at their expense at 38,000 but I expect that I'll have to put better pieces on soon. From Rock Auto the Raybestos are $62 ea for the front and $67 ea for the rears.

Can you do your own work or not? If not the Ford dealer will charge you $50 - $100 per hour and put the same OEM non premium quality stuff back on. And the front rotors can be a BIT@H to remove (a hacksaw along with a BFH, and an hour's work will do it for the fronts).

Brakes are usually not covered under a standard warranty.

If it's wandering all over the road, has more then 50,000 miles(and sometimes much less), wearing tires on the inside, it WILL need new ball joints - get the greaseable MOOGs. Ford will, again, put their junk back on and in another couple of years, another $1000/$1200. I did all four for about $225 (plus a $60 alignment) including buying a 1 3/8" socket and a new pickle fork.
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How can I find out what the factory brake pads are made of?
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The Brembo front rotors and new brakes for my F150 4x4 were less then $200 from Tire Rack.

The brakes for my '06 Super Duty were $87 for all 4 wheels - these are Raybestos and from Rock Auto. Ford has already replaced the rotors at their expense at 38,000 but I expect that I'll have to put better pieces on soon. From Rock Auto the Raybestos are $62 ea for the front and $67 ea for the rears.

Can you do your own work or not? If not the Ford dealer will charge you $50 - $100 per hour and put the same OEM non premium quality stuff back on. And the front rotors can be a BIT@H to remove (a hacksaw along with a BFH, and an hour's work will do it for the fronts).

Brakes are usually not covered under a standard warranty.

If it's wandering all over the road, has more then 50,000 miles(and sometimes much less), wearing tires on the inside, it WILL need new ball joints - get the greaseable MOOGs. Ford will, again, put their junk back on and in another couple of years, another $1000/$1200. I did all four for about $225 (plus a $60 alignment) including buying a 1 3/8" socket and a new pickle fork.
Dave

Tires have worn on the inside for a long time now. Since around 15,000 miles. I took it to Ford to check the alignment and all, and they said it was fine and that it was a Continental Tire problem. Continental knows nothing of it. Should the ball joints have been replaced a long time ago?
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The Brembo front rotors and new brakes for my F150 4x4 were less then $200 from Tire Rack.

The brakes for my '06 Super Duty were $87 for all 4 wheels - these are Raybestos and from Rock Auto. Ford has already replaced the rotors at their expense at 38,000 but I expect that I'll have to put better pieces on soon. From Rock Auto the Raybestos are $62 ea for the front and $67 ea for the rears.

Can you do your own work or not? If not the Ford dealer will charge you $50 - $100 per hour and put the same OEM non premium quality stuff back on. And the front rotors can be a BIT@H to remove (a hacksaw along with a BFH, and an hour's work will do it for the fronts).

Brakes are usually not covered under a standard warranty.

If it's wandering all over the road, has more then 50,000 miles(and sometimes much less), wearing tires on the inside, it WILL need new ball joints - get the greaseable MOOGs. Ford will, again, put their junk back on and in another couple of years, another $1000/$1200. I did all four for about $225 (plus a $60 alignment) including buying a 1 3/8" socket and a new pickle fork.
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could the ball jonts being bad have caused an alignment problem that could have interfered with the braking causing the rotors to get warped?
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All of this seems to prove that the auto makers are using junk on their vehicles.............I have heard countless stories like this...........Ford, Chrysler, GM are all needing brakes around 30,000...........Years ago.........20-30 years ago, original factory brakes would seem to last forever.......not any more.
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Ford truck and SUV OEM brakes and rotors are soft for that nice pedal feel that everyone claims to like. I can't speak for their automobiles since the last one I owned was a '97 T-Bird but I sold it at only 22K. The previous car was a '94 T-Bird. Those OEM brake pads and rotors were still fine at 90K.

My '97 F150 had brakes and rotors at ~65K, and needed ball joints but I traded for the '01 F150 at ~70K. It became someone elses problem then

I put Brembo rotors and Hawk brakes on my wifes Escape. The rotors were worn about .06 on each side(~an eigth of an inch total ).

If you were to go to a Ford truck forum, you would see many tales of rotor and ball joint woes. I know Dodge is even worse.

Ball joints will wear your tires inner treads. They wont cause rotor problems. Continentals have some vibration problems - my wifes were changed for Yokohamas - now it's nice and smooth. My F350 will bounce until spring - replacements are in the $200 each range for 18"/E rated .

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Ford truck and SUV OEM brakes and rotors are soft for that nice pedal feel that everyone claims to like. I can't speak for their automobiles since the last one I owned was a '97 T-Bird but I sold it at only 22K. The previous car was a '94 T-Bird. Those OEM brake pads and rotors were still fine at 90K.

My '97 F150 had brakes and rotors at ~65K, and needed ball joints but I traded for the '01 F150 at ~70K. It became someone elses problem then

I put Brembo rotors and Hawk brakes on my wifes Escape. The rotors were worn about .06 on each side(~an eigth of an inch total ).

If you were to go to a Ford truck forum, you would see many tales of rotor and ball joint woes. I know Dodge is even worse.

Ball joints will wear your tires inner treads. They wont cause rotor problems. Continentals have some vibration problems - my wifes were changed for Yokohamas - now it's nice and smooth. My F350 will bounce until spring - replacements are in the $200 each range for 18"/E rated .

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My ball joints are covered under warranty. Do you think the Ford place would tell me if they were bad? I seem to have a tough time getting anything out of them. Is there a way I can tell myself? Ford says the rotors can turn until they get less tha 1.125, but they're not checking them. They just say I need new rotors, so I will check them myself with a 1"-2" micrometer. I can get them turned for $10 a piece at NAPA. They sell two different brake pads. The call it a cheap one or a good one. $20 and $60. I wonder if the $60 one wears the rotors more than the $20 ones. Which would you try? The Ford place says their replacement pad is a motorcraft pad I can get for $40. I don't know which one it's comparable with(the $20 or the $60).
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