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Obama funded extremist Afrocentrists who shared Rev. Wright’s anti-Americanism

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Our election was yesterday.............................I will be glad when yours is over.
Me too!......................
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....did you really type all that?
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Desperate people say and do desperate things.
McCain/Palin's fear mongering has got them right where it should, behind in the polls, and criticism from some conservatives.
Florida's Republican Governor doesn't have time for McCain lately.
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Don't be so afraid of change!
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It looks like most folks have already made up their minds. The swift boat stuff worked last time, but we've got to go another direction.

It's desperation time for McCain and company. The real ugliness will now surface.

Barrack Obama is not old enough to do all of the bad things that the R's say that he's done.

I'm leaning towards Obama on intelligence, and it's proven that the brand of capitalism we've been exposed to is corrupt. Why is it wrong to spend a trillion on people, but it's okay to spend a trillion killing them?

John McCain, more of the same.
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7 1/2 YEARS OF GEORGE BUSH

TO ALL MY FRIENDS....LIBERAL OR CONSERVATIVE...FYI only.

George Bush has been in office for 7 1/2 years. The first six the economy was fine.

A little over one year ago:
1) Consumer confidence stood at a 2 1/2 year high;
2) Regular gasoline sold for $2.19 a gallon;
3) the unemployment rate was 4.5%.
4) the DOW JONES hit a record high--14,000 +
5) American's were buying new cars,taking cruises, vacations overseas, living large!...

But American's wanted 'CHANGE'! So, in 2006 they voted in a Democratic Congress and yes--we got 'CHANGE' all right. In the PAST YEAR:

1) Consumer confidence has plummeted;
2) Gasoline is now over $4 a gallon & climbing!;
3) Unemployment is up to 5.5% (a 10% increase);
4) Americans have seen their home equity drop by $12 TRILLION DOLLARS and prices still dropping;
5) 1% of American homes are in foreclosure.
6) as I write, THE DOW is probing another low~~
$2.5 TRILLION DOLLARS HAS EVAPORATED FROM THEIR STOCKS, BONDS & MUTUAL FUNDS INVESTMENT PORTFOLIOS!

YES, IN 2006 AMERICA VOTED FOR CHANGE...AND WE SURE GOT IT! ....

REMEMBER THE PRESIDENT HAS NO CONTROL OVER ANY OF THESE ISSUES, ONLY CONGRESS.

AND WHAT HAS CONGRESS DONE IN THE LAST TWO YEARS, ABSOLUTELY NOTHING.

NOW THE DEMOCRATIC CANDIDATE FOR PRESIDENT CLAIMS HE IS GOING TO REALLY GIVE US CHANGE ALONG WITH A DEMOCRATIC CONGRESS!!!!

JUST HOW MUCH MORE 'CHANGE' DO YOU THINK YOU CAN STAND?
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The economy has not been fine. It's been bad for a long time. The only thing George has accomplished was to continue to "charge it".

Besides, how many of you make over 250 grand a year? Taxes aside, we're losing jobs because of greed, not taxes. We can legislate tarriffs, and keep the jobs here. We can have some basic standards for everybody, and we can also have productivity, jobs, and prosperity for most folks. I'm not against spreading the wealth around. It takes us all to make the world go around, and just because you aren't rich, doesn't mean that you are lazy, or don't work hard. That's crap to insinuate that. McCain has multiple houses and his old lady owns a chunk of Budweiser. They don't give a damn about most of us, they want to be masters of the universe, that's all.


Your post is just political crap. I don't think that we, as Americans are overly happy with either party, but one thing is for sure this time.

Fool me once, shame on......., uh...... we won't get fooled again.


If you are moving in a direction, and it's the wrong way, then you try something else.

Barack Obama is something else, and it looks like most people are going to choose "that one" as McCain would put it.

McCain is too old. If he croaks, we've got Bambi running the country, and, well, she just ain't too smart, to put it mildly. We've already had not too smart for 8 years.

When it's crunch time, I want some gray matter on the nuke button. Biden and Obama both, politics aside, have good judgement and diplomacy.

I don't need anymore people trying to hasten Armageddon.
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I just have to state a few facts here. In a capitolist society, people work hard, not because the government demands it, but because people do it to get ahead, but what's the incentive, if the government is planning to take it away?
Rich people start a business, which hires people and buys materials or supplies, poor people take "free" money from the government and spend it at Walmart, which ends up making China wealthier. But as for why America has been loosing millions of jobs is because of our own Government-Keep reading because here's the truth of the matter. Unless you have owned and operated a private business, you become aware of the massive intrusion of Federal and State regulatory expenses. Take OSHA Occupational Safety and Health Authority, or MSHA or EPA, there are no free rides with the federal agencies, there are no free rides with the state either. Such as State Compensation fund, here are the hard facts of the matter, you start a company making shirts, your material comes from a USA weaver, all these are under the OSHA authority, these are set costs, now you have payroll, the state and federal government takes a chunk for taxes, this is also part of your overhead, so by adding up your property taxes, heating/electrical, telephone (which by the way, in most states are double what a private individual spends) and all of a sudden you realise this overhead has run your product up so high, that no one going into a store will buy it-that's as hard as concrete, solid facts, so when canadate A or B starts saying we are going to bring jobs back to America-they are in DISNEY LAND of make believe.
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I just have to state a few facts here. In a capitolist society, people work hard, not because the government demands it, but because people do it to get ahead, but what's the incentive, if the government is planning to take it away?
Rich people start a business, which hires people and buys materials or supplies, poor people take "free" money from the government and spend it at Walmart, which ends up making China wealthier. But as for why America has been loosing millions of jobs is because of our own Government-Keep reading because here's the truth of the matter. Unless you have owned and operated a private business, you become aware of the massive intrusion of Federal and State regulatory expenses. Take OSHA Occupational Safety and Health Authority, or MSHA or EPA, there are no free rides with the federal agencies, there are no free rides with the state either. Such as State Compensation fund, here are the hard facts of the matter, you start a company making shirts, your material comes from a USA weaver, all these are under the OSHA authority, these are set costs, now you have payroll, the state and federal government takes a chunk for taxes, this is also part of your overhead, so by adding up your property taxes, heating/electrical, telephone (which by the way, in most states are double what a private individual spends) and all of a sudden you realise this overhead has run your product up so high, that no one going into a store will buy it-that's as hard as concrete, solid facts, so when canadate A or B starts saying we are going to bring jobs back to America-they are in DISNEY LAND of make believe.

I think we are on a set of fast rails to financial hell. We are almost on an unstoppable ride to the bottom. We are going to have huge inflation because of the borrowing and printing of money. It's going to take a depression to wake up the people. We've become cattle is the analogy I can say. I'm a pretty much in line with what our forefathers had in mind, however, we don't have any viable candidates to choose from that are running. I think if our ancestors were here and they saw that 1 percent of the people had the majority of the money, that things need to change. That's not justice for all.

As for this business of working hard to get ahead, I've worked hard, but I'm not rich. I just think that as society progresses, it ought to make health a top issue, and that businesses should not make huge profits from it. Go sell shoes if you want to make money. Telling somebody that they can't get a surgery because they have aren't rich is just flat out wrong. I also believe that knowledge and education should be available to us all. Not this only for the rich class system bs we've got now.

I don't want anyone to give me anything, but I do want the basics to be attainable. We should all be able to see a doctor and get an education without having come from wealth and privilege. I do business with people from western European countries, and they still buy hot rods, and such. Socialism is not a four letter word. Totalitarianism is, but it's not the same thing.

We could have a national insurance company that is a non-profit that works like other insurance, except that it returns the money to the people that is not used.

The republicans say small government is good, and that government is bad.

We need government, we just need it to be good. Right now, the ones running it suck at it. It's almost an oxymoron that any politician gets up and says down with government. I say down with piss poor government.

Can anyone tell me why it's okay for big corporations to raid our tax money, but it's not okay to spend some to give medical aid to our people? Can anyone tell me why it's okay to give billions to Haliburton but not to Mike Burton?

Why should we let companies become monopolies when it's constitutionally disallowed. Where are the anti-trust laws?

Why would it be wrong to quit policing the world, pay off our foreign debt and then put tariffs on countries that unfairly compete. Why should we support third world poverty? Right now we do, because we can't piss off our banker, which is China. If we didn't owe them all of this money, we could put some protections in place for our own workers.
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I don't want anyone to give me anything, but I do want the basics to be attainable. We should all be able to see a doctor and get an education without having come from wealth and privilege.
We could have a national insurance company that is a non-profit that works like other insurance, except that it returns the money to the people that is not used. [QUOTE]

I didn't come from wealth and privilege. Far from it, at least as far as dollars go. I did get a BSME. I see the doctor (more than I want to, to be frank). Fact is, 80% of the millionaires in the US are first generation rich.
I got my BSME while I had a wife and a mortgage. I filled out the grant and loan papers once. I didn't qualify for a grant but the government lent me $200. In the amount of time it took me to fill out the paperwork, I could have worked some extra hours for pay and not had a loan payment. Of course, the people in charge told me when I graduated that I would have to pay the $200 back $1.67 per month. These are the people you want in charge of health care?

[QUOTE=NAIRB]I do business with people from western European countries, and they still buy hot rods, and such. Socialism is not a four letter word.[QUOTE]

Ask not what you can do for your country but what your country can do for you.

The reason companies are going overseas is illustrated here.

Let's put tax cuts in terms everyone can understand.

Suppose that every night, ten men go to their favorite bar for beer. The tab for all ten comes to $100 for ten pitchers. If they paid their bill the way we pay our taxes, it would go something like this:

The first four men (the poorest) would pay nothing.
The fifth would pay $1.
The sixth would pay $3.
The seventh $7.
The eighth $12.
The ninth $18.
The tenth man (the richest) would pay $59.

So, that's what they decided to do. The ten men drank in the bar every night and seemed quite happy with the arrangement, until one day, the owner threw them a curve.

"Since you are all such good customers," he said, "I'm going to reduce the cost of your nightly tab by $20."

So, now drinks for the ten only cost $80. The group still wanted to pay their tab the way we pay our taxes. So, the first four men were unaffected. They would still drink for free.

But what about the other six, the paying customers?

How could they divvy up the $20 windfall so that everyone would get his "fair share"?

The six men realized that $20 divided by six is $3.33. But if they subtracted that from everybody's share, then the fifth man and the sixth man would each end up being "PAID" to drink beer!

So, the bar owner suggested that it would be fair to reduce each man's bill by roughly the same amount, and he proceeded to work out the amounts each should pay.

And so:

The fifth man, like the first four, now paid nothing (100% savings).
The sixth now paid $2 instead of $3 (33% savings).
The seventh now paid $5 instead of $7 (28% savings).
The eighth now paid $9 instead of $12 (25% savings).
The ninth now paid $14 instead of $18 (22% savings).
The tenth now paid $49 instead of $59 (16% savings).
Each of the six was better off than before. And the first four continued to drink for free. But once drunk and outside the bar, the men began to compare their savings.

"I only got a dollar out of the $20," declared the sixth man. He pointed to the tenth man "but he got $10!"

"Yeah, that's right," exclaimed the fifth man. "I only saved a dollar, too. It's unfair that he got ten times more than me!"

"That's true!!" shouted the seventh man. "Why should he get $10 back when I got only $2? The wealthy get all the breaks!"

"Wait a minute," yelled the first four men in unison. "We didn't get anything at all. The system exploits the poor!"

The nine men surrounded the tenth and beat him up.

The next night the tenth man didn't show up at the bar since he went overseas to drink at a friendlier bar. So the nine sat down and drank without him. But when it came time to pay the tab, they discovered something important. They didn't have enough money between all of them for
even half of the tab!

And that, boys and girls, journalists and college professors, is how our tax system works. The people who pay the highest taxes get the most benefit from a tax reduction. Tax them too much, attack them for being wealthy, and they just may not show up to pick up the tab anymore.

I am not going to attribute this example to anyone, as the author seems to be in question. That does not make it any less accurate.

Check here:

http://seekingalpha.com/article/7513...e-taxes-update

Stop blaming the wealthy for your problems and demanding their money be redistributed. Start paying attention to what the wealthy do and try to copy it.
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Our government runs on money, those that can afford it-get the most, always was, always has been-now the problem is that outside money is involved, as in outside America, and these people do not have America's best interest at heart. How can a single individual raise $150 million on the internet in a single month, it's by less than $100.00 per hit on a credit card from the internet, it's how Obama has raised such vast sums-it's illegal
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