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Old 07-10-2005, 09:04 PM
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acrylic enamel base then acrylic enamel cc

Is there any advantage to using a acrylic enamel base and then acrylic enamel cc as far as durability and shine. I have some acrylic enamel that I am planning on painting my car with but don't know whether ordering the clear coat would be worth it.
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You can convert the AE to a base coat using a product called lazer dry, and then apply urethane clear over it...
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I agree with Bondoking on that one, check with your paint
supplier and see if he has a "converter" for your acrylic enamel.
Most brands have this product under a different brand name for
their own enamel.
Of course, clear acrylic enamel is srill a good paint and with the
hardener you can rub it out the same way as urethane.
You just have to give it more time to harden up. I have rubbed
them out in just a week but a month is better.
If I were buying new paint I would definitly get the urethane, but
if I already had the enamel I would probably use it.
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Is he asking about urethane clear or acrylic enamel clear? His original post said:
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...and then acrylic enamel cc...
You should be able to use the acrylic enamel clear over the acrylic enamel base without any problems...

Am I confused?
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Is there any advantage to using a acrylic enamel base and then acrylic enamel cc as far as durability and shine. I have some acrylic enamel that I am planning on painting my car with but don't know whether ordering the clear coat would be worth it.
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Scott
Harder to spray
Harder to keep trash out
Harder to fix a bad spot
Most likely will cost you more
Almost impossible to buff out to perfection
Repair sensitivity will be an issue, if you need to get back into it
Durability to bc/cc will be a lot less. I mean a lot!
Your going back 40 years in technology.
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Barryk hit it on the nail!
There is no advantage to using enamel these days,but if
you're asking wether to clear over acrylic enamel because you
already have the color and want to use it, the answer is yes.
Wether you clear with urethane or clear acrylic enamel (w/ hardener)
you will be better than just the enamel color coat alone.
It will be more durable for wear and color hold-out plus you can
color sand and buff it when it hardens up. A lot of acrylic enamel
colors, especially metalics, are very difficult, if not impossible, to
rub out. At least with the clear if you get a run or dirt in it you'll
be able to buff it out. Use the urethane clear and it'll be much easier
and durable than the enamel.
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So if I spray enamel can I wait a month and shoot polyurethane clear without using lazer dry.
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If it's a solid nonmetalic color you could let it set for a month and then scuff it down with a grey scotchbrite and apply a urethane clear. Metalic enamels can be tough to prep for clearcoat, scuffing can hurt the metalics and show when the clear is applied-great care must be taken.

If this thing is a keeper then ditch the enamel and buy some bc/cc urethane, JMO
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The projects are keepers but I am just learning to paint. You all will probably be disappointed to hear I will be spraying the primer and paint with a hvlp turbine gun. Here are the cars. Body work needs to be finished on both before I paint.
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Nice projects, hey if that turbine gun sprays ok then there's nothing wrong with using it. I've never tried one-did my first paintjob 23 years ago with a vacume cleaner -wouldn't recomend it nowadays though.

Yeah, if you're going to keep these cars put that antiquated old enamel on Ebay or use it on a trailer of something, what colors are these projects going to be? A singlestage urethane would be an option to keep expenses down if these are solid colors- less material to buy than a bc/cc system.
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I think I may go gloss black on both projects. These forums have been a great deal of help so far. I custom built the beetle with absolutely no fabricating skill prior. I am pretty happy with my progress but could not have gotten this far without the help of forums like this one.
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Since you are going basic black do yourself a huge favor and ust the bc/cc system.... YOu can buy a gallon of black base for less than 100 dollars here.
www.southernpolyurethanes.com
You can get your clear and primer there as well

Best of luck to you

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I agree with Matthew, with the nice projects you are doing don't waste
quality on the paint. The paint is the most important part that will
make or break a project. That's the first impression everyone sees.
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