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Old 01-30-2008, 09:05 PM
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Adding Shoulder belts to a classic car

I was thinking about adding shoulder belts (3-point belts) to my 1960 Corvair 2-door coupe, front and back seats. Right now it has no belts at all.

Question is, how hard is it to add them, and where is the best place to buy them? I see lots of kits on ebay, but I want it to be very safe for the family, especially the children in booster seats.

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Old 01-30-2008, 09:52 PM
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I've never purchased anything from Julianos's but they have a good website with examples of their products in several different style of vehicles - could give you some ideas even if you find another manufacturer you like better.

http://www.julianos.com/seat_belts.html
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I would think that lap belts are no problem, but where will you mount the shoulder harness for the front seats?
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I would think that lap belts are no problem, but where will you mount the shoulder harness for the front seats?
Wiseguys ( http://www.wiseguys-seats.com/ ) sells a 3-point harness that routes the shoulder harness through a bracket mounted on the back of the seat. Of course you would have to remove the covering and fab a mount for the bracket. The rewind mech mounts on the floor behind the seat. Not sure how this will fit in your application but it is worth a look.
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I got a set out of a Hyundia at the boneyard u-pic $20 and put them in my 31 chevy. U must be sure u put the retractor in at the same position as doner car. takes a few tries and may have to fab some bracketry, but they came out good.
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The interior does have a small post between the door and rear window (see picture if it uploads). I thought it might mount there? If not, I 'd at least like to put lap belts in the front and try to get shoulder belts in the back.

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Most shoulder belts have a "pivot" point mounted on the pillar, and the actual mechanism is usally mounted to the floor pretty much in line with the back of the seat.

Something I've been looking at, and that you might consider, is one of the newer style seats with the shoulder belt integrated into the seat itself.

Whatever you do, post some pics, keep us updated, as I'm looking at the same issue on my project.

Later - Karl
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The upper pivot should go at near the top of the door pillar so it will not interfere with the head liner installation. You may have to weld a nut on a small plate and then cut a hole in the pillar so the nut will fit recessed in and the weld the plate to the pillar. Finding a location for the bottom anchor/inertial reel so not to hinder back seat entry will take some doing. I have used Juliano belts and they work better than OEM and are easily installed.

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these look good.has anyone tried 'em?
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I got mine from http://www.andoauto.com./deck.htm .

They seem pretty simple.
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Thanks MadmanMark, those Andover belts look like what I'm looking for! I will probably just put lap belts in the front seat, but I wanted shoulder belts to make the rear seat accessible for the kids booster and car seat. I'll let you know what I decide to do.

Thanks again guys!

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these look good.has anyone tried 'em?
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My girlfriend just informed me tonight that there's no way in hell she'll ride in my Caddy if I install lap belts instead of shoulder belts. So I found this thread, and these retro belts look perfect to me. The threads like 6 months old, so I was just wondering if anyone has had any experience with 'em yet?
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I've been using them for a while now and they work great. The ones I have are for the back seat. If you do some searching around, you'll find other vendors for retrofit kits (some in this thread), each with different styles for the buckles (the retractors all look similar). The kit I got from Andover was nothing fancy, but it works great. I thought the link for retrobelt in this thread had some good options too.

My front seats have a separate shoulder belt on the roof pillar with no retractor. You have to unbuckle to roll up/down the windows. It's enough of a hassle that I rarely use the shoulder strap.

Here's the post I made to Team Chevelle with pics of the belt setup I used:
http://www.chevelles.com/forums/showthread.php?t=209840
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Those look great! Is there cutting & welding involved to reinforce the rear deck for the retractors, or do you just drill the holes & put reinforcement plates behind the sheet metal?
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No cutting or welding - just a few holes to get the reinforcement plate mounted to the decklid and 1 hole for mounting the retractor. The reinforcement plate I got came with a welded on nut.

You can use bolts to secure the reinforcement plate, but I used rivets and put some JB weld in between. There's a pic of the plate and other stuff on the Team Chevelle link I posted.

I'd recommend mounting the retractor first, w/o the plate. Then spin the plate on to the retractor bolt to see where it best fits under the deck lid.

I'd have to say the biggest pain of the whole job was getting the old seat belts out. Those bolts were a pain to get at and extremely hard to turn. I blew several hours and lost a lot of blood on the first 2 and then broke out the impact gun for the last 2 (took less than 1 minute). I highly recommend the impact gun.
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