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slingshot60 02-01-2012 09:11 PM

Aftermarket IFS vs S10 chassis?
 
Starting on my '50 Willys Overland 2WD Wagon. Started on body (rough/rusted), snagged a '96 Buick Roadmaster and have the LT1/4L60 ready to go. Question is what to do about suspension. I want a more modern (read IFS) suspension for ride and handling. Should I reinforce the stock frame (afterall, it was designed for a flat head 4 with maybe 70 hp), install an aftermarket Mustang II style front end (Speedway Motors?) and source a good modern rear axle (Ford 8.8?) or would it be better (cheaper) to just go with a early 90's S10 chassis I can get for little of nothing (get whole roller pickup for $400, maybe end up with $200 in the chassis after selling body)?
Opinions?

whyholdback 02-02-2012 05:18 AM

How is this even a question? The S-10 has amazing aftermarket support, V8-swaps into them are common, you can get parts / service anywhere, easy to get an S-10 to pull 1g cornering, cost is 10% of the Heidt's-type stuff, big brakes can be done with G-body parts, which has all the advantages just listed, while a Heidt's-style only has the advantage of looking pretty IF it is fully exposed for all the world to see.

shine 02-02-2012 06:25 AM

do the s10 . i dont trust mll at all unless it is by fatman fabrication. the flimsy light weight cross members are dangerous as hell. i have removed 4 of them over the years because of stress cracks.

OneMoreTime 02-02-2012 07:21 AM

I would box the existing frame and just use the crossmember from the S-10..The S-10 chassis has a bunch of curves and kinks that make it difficult to adapt to any other body style..Once you get the body off of an S-10 you will see what I mean by that..

Sam

MARTINSR 02-02-2012 02:32 PM

My hatred of frame swaps is well know here, but I have to say, THIS one I would think about. What you need to do is see how similar the Willy's frame is in shape over the rear end, that sort of thing. I think it is pretty similar and the body is pretty forgiving, for instance not having a swoopy floor that matched the shape of the stock frame.

My brother had one of those Willys and at the time I frequented a Willys forum that had a lot of stuff like this going on, I don't remember the name of the forum but if you do some homework you should be able to find out how this swap would work out.

As I started with I LOATH frame swaps as most don't turn out well and look like a placenta in my opinion. But this one has some merits and doing some home work should sort that all out.

As far as the original frame goes, people have been putting much bigger motors in Model A's and with some work it is a doer without so much as a thought on the subject. Building a frame from scratch would also be an idea, again do to what I remember as being a pretty straight forward frame design of the original. There are some threads on hotrodders about building a frame from scratch and it isn't as hard as you think.

Brian

nine4gmc 02-02-2012 02:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by whyholdback
How is this even a question? The S-10 has amazing aftermarket support, V8-swaps into them are common, you can get parts / service anywhere, easy to get an S-10 to pull 1g cornering, cost is 10% of the Heidt's-type stuff, big brakes can be done with G-body parts, which has all the advantages just listed, while a Heidt's-style only has the advantage of looking pretty IF it is fully exposed for all the world to see.


This ^.

I would bet that if you part out what you don't need from the s10, you will have nothing invested in the rolling chassis but a lil time, it will pay for itself. Personally, I have more time than money so just another reason I would go with the s10.

slingshot60 02-02-2012 06:15 PM

Seriously leaning towards the S10... worst case scenario--I invest a day or two labor and figure out it doesn't work. Frame has still cost me nearly nothing.

nine4gmc 02-02-2012 06:30 PM

exactly, and you can use the steel s10 frame for strengthening the other frame so free materials. win-win situation.

zbhover 02-02-2012 07:05 PM

I'd say go with the s10 chassis and ford 8.8 rear from an explorer...... Or at least graft the s10 front end into your frame and beef up your frame.

I'm bit partial to the s10 chassis / 8.8 rear combo as thats what I'm using for my v8 convertible bug :)

http://www.v8beetleresource.com/epbi...10-16-11-6.PNG


http://www.v8beetleresource.com/epbi...5-28-11-18.PNG


Of course the "cheap or free" s10 chassis starts to add up as you replace worn out parts, make upgrades etc....

My chassis had about 200k on it so I replaced pretty much everything, plus upgraded the sway bars, put 2" drop spindles on etc.....

http://www.v8beetleresource.com/epbimages/5-3-10-1.JPG

http://www.v8beetleresource.com/epbi...1-22-10-15.JPG

http://www.v8beetleresource.com/epbi...1-22-10-21.JPG

http://www.v8beetleresource.com/epbi...1-22-10-22.JPG



You can see TONS more pictures of what I did to our s10 chassis, and 8.8" rear end on my website at: v8beetleresource.com

slingshot60 02-03-2012 06:27 PM

Going to look at (and hopefully buy) the '95 reg cab S10 tomorrow... no motor/no trans (perfect). I still have the body/chassis of the '96 Roadmaster wagon. I saw on here that the larger front brakes will bolt up to the S10... but are a larger 5x5" bolt pattern (as opposed to the standard 5x4.75"). what is best way to change the pattern to get the larger 12" front brakes?

slingshot60 02-04-2012 04:51 PM

Just got back from buying a '95 S10. Reg cab, short bed, no motor or trans. Very straight. $300 with title. Chassis will be stripped, blasted, painted, everything will be rebuilt/replaced.
Now looking for G-body front brakes. What all models and years will work?

nine4gmc 02-04-2012 05:41 PM

good choice imo, post pics when you get a chance!

enjenjo 02-04-2012 06:54 PM

G body brakes are the same as S10. What you need are B body brakes, spindle and all, with a Camaro 1 LE rotor,

slingshot60 02-04-2012 09:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by enjenjo
G body brakes are the same as S10. What you need are B body brakes, spindle and all, with a Camaro 1 LE rotor,

Sooo... use my '96 Roadmaster brakes and fit them with Camaro 1LE rotors?

stich626 02-04-2012 09:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by slingshot60
Sooo... use my '96 Roadmaster brakes and fit them with Camaro 1LE rotors?

use the b body spindle,
an aftermarket upper a arm
le1 rotor AND calp.. the b body rotor is not the same thickness as the f body le1
and you sould be good to go.. you might want to check.. but I thought the b body parts you needed only went to the body change over not all the way up to there end..
iirc its 77-90 could be wrong..

better question.. why not use the b body frame,, is it to wide?
dads got a 49 willy p/u and a 51


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