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Old 09-14-2010, 07:16 PM
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hey landshark928,i will most likley get kicked off this site for saying this,but you and i need to meet mother****er.you don't like american than you can suck ******in wananamakers windows!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


That's what makes America great, I can have an opinion that differs from yours and you can let me know it.

Now, I NEVER said I didn't like American. What I said is American products need to compete to keep up and keep or capture market share. IMO It's silly to pay more for the same product just because I want to be patriotic. If an American product costs more but is also better quality then the value is there and I make the purchase.

I served in Dessert Shield/Storm and was even an Eagle Scout. I'm as patriotic as the next guy, maybe more. I just want us to earn what we get, not get a handout. No welfare for American products, they need to earn their business. Either compete with price,features, quality or combination of the three. But don't give me the same product and expect me to pay more just because.

Sorry if I'm a little bitter. I have seen American work ethic go down hill the last 15 or so years even though salaries have gone up.

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Having a strong opinion is one thing, HJ- but you did cross a line.

There's still time to edit the sludge out of your post. We do not need it.
No offense taken by me. I appreciate his passion, it's what makes Americans great. Whether I agree with someone or not, I appreciate when they take a stand.

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Old 09-15-2010, 08:54 AM
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No offense taken by me. I appreciate his passion, it's what makes Americans great. Whether I agree with someone or not, I appreciate when they take a stand.
While your altruistic attitude is commendable, this is a G rated forum. Kids and moms and such come here to learn about things automotive- not things, ahh, "X"-rated.

I do notice a fairly wide range of moderation between the various forums here at Hotrodders. Not that it is necessarily a bad thing, but I recently had a thread locked (in a different forum), by telling a wag to lay off the insults or I would "lay him to waste". As if- this IS an internet forum, after all. Not like I was gonna reach through his monitor and strangle him- it was a merely a warning not to provoke a response from me that he would be unable to counter- w/o coming out on the wrong end of a war of words that would have him arriving at a gun fight sporting a Barlow.

EDIT- It seems that the thread is now unlocked again after having been initially locked.

In any event, the point is, there are rules we all have to abide by- rules that we all agreed to when we became members here. That's the way Jon envisioned this site, and that is that.

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Old 09-15-2010, 01:05 PM
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I am sick of unions myself . remember Eastern Air lines.............. and that car company General Motors ........ unions sure did help them ............ right out of business ... unions = lazy workers that whine alot.
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Old 09-15-2010, 01:39 PM
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I am sick of unions myself . remember Eastern Air lines.............. and that car company General Motors ........ unions sure did help them ............ right out of business ... unions = lazy workers that whine alot.
To classify all union workers as lazy may be a bit harsh and unrealistic. There are plenty of union workers that take pride in what they do. It's the union leadership that sunk those companies. Creating a system of pay based on tenure and not productivity was the main issue. If someone is doing a skilled job no one else can do then yes, pay them more. If they are more productive, then yes pay them more. But if they are just Joe Average, doing just enough to get by, don't pay them more just cause they hang around 10 years.

The actions union take in extorting companies to pay more than they can would be illegal if committed by anyone else. Meet our demands or we walk and bankrupt you. Do as we say or we kill your company... Sounds like a hostage negotiation to me.

Is there some greed on the white collar side as well? You betcha! Golden parachutes Like the CEO of GM got are a crime in themselves. And then the good ole boy club let the guy go ruin Home Depot next with yet another buy out to leave.

I run a $230 million dollar business with just over 3000 employees. If I didn't hit the numbers, I'd be in the unemployment line quickly, not enjoying a golden parachute. And i certainly wouldn't expect to be rehired at the same level elsewhere.

That being said, the PP intake is a solid choice.

Both the union management and upper level corporate managements have a huge disconnect with reality at times.
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There's a lot to be said for the socialist way of doing business, and then there's the capitalist way. Capitalism places the world as an open market. If you can buy a product at a better value from your neighbor across the ocean than your neighbor across the street then do it.

There's a lot of people who don't buy foriegn because they don't want to support the poor working/living conditions of those economies. I can understand a person feeling that ethical obligation.

Instead of doing that I think they should place higher tariffs on places that don't have the same requirements placed on them as US companies- rather it be the excessive taxes they pay, the environmental laws they have to deal with, the benefit programs they are required to support.

Today we have an anti-capitalist government, and it has been taking its toll. Maybe someday we will have a good reason for manufacturing to stay on our shores, but IMO to not be looking at foreign facilities right now is just plain stupid. I don't blame a company for moving away, I blame the country for giving them reason to.

Unions were a big part of it but they have been shrinking for years, government on the other hand is bigger than it ever was.
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With the focus here on "clean jobs" just try and open any kind of business where someone "just might" get their hands dirty. there are major legal and reguatory challenges to opening any kind of shop that makes a valve or casts aluminum or any other kind of manufacturing and this has been going on for the last 25 years that I know of so no wonder to me that we need to go to offshore companies to get anything built or made..Try and open a new body shop just for one example..

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With the focus here on "clean jobs" just try and open any kind of business where someone "just might" get their hands dirty. there are major legal and reguatory challenges to opening any kind of shop that makes a valve or casts aluminum or any other kind of manufacturing and this has been going on for the last 25 years that I know of so no wonder to me that we need to go to offshore companies to get anything built or made..Try and open a new body shop just for one example..

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Please remember that in November and vote conservative, Libertarian or at least Republican.


Boy have we gotten off topic..
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Air Gap logo

No offense. But what is up with the logo on the intake. Like I want to spend 10yrs restoring my car and then to open the hood and the first thing you see is a MADE IN THE USA logo.

I have no problem spending the money on a US product and I do so b/c I like the quality but why ruin the look of a engine compartment with that?
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Old 09-16-2010, 06:27 PM
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Please remember that in November and vote conservative, Libertarian or at least Republican.


Boy have we gotten off topic..
my bad for getting off topic,i'am sorry.lost my head and thoughts..............joe
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With the focus here on "clean jobs" just try and open any kind of business where someone "just might" get their hands dirty. there are major legal and reguatory challenges to opening any kind of shop that makes a valve or casts aluminum or any other kind of manufacturing and this has been going on for the last 25 years that I know of so no wonder to me that we need to go to offshore companies to get anything built or made..Try and open a new body shop just for one example..

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Way back in the summer of 1972, following Richard Nixon's February trip to China my uncle Warren went to China.

A good conservative Republican who had a door and window manufacturing business outside of Cleveland, Ohio.

He stopped in San Diego to visit his brother, my father, on the way to China and related to my father that the purpose of the trip was to test China as a manufacturing site. That if negotiations were successful he would move his company's manufacturing to China and convert the Strongsville facility into a warehouse.

This kicked off an all night argument as my father who as an executive engineering manager in a large aerospace firm at the time was a strong union supporter and felt that this move not only undercut union strength which he felt is what made middle America, but further endangered America's economic and technological power by giving both money/wealth and technology of design and manufacturing to an avowed enemy.

They parted on hostile terms, never to talk, let alone see each other, again in their life times.

So this whole move of manufacturing to China is an old thing directed by the people at the financial top of this nation, it's not some recent invention of the greens to get dirty industry out of the country. That's not to say that they don't exploit this for their own purposes, but it is to say, that there are far bigger economic, social, and societal factors behind this.

Many decades ago my good friend Henry said this would come to pass, I thought he was crazy, no nation in history voluntarily gave away its proprietary rights to foreign power. The stuff we've giving up was always throughout history what could be described as the spoils of war. No nation can long survive what this one has done, eventually the bill will come due and it will be paid in blood.

I think we're long past the point where voting for anybody of any party will prove to be useful to the nation and our people.

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can someone explain what is the benefit of an air gap intake and when it should be used and when it should not be used?
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The advantage of the air gap is to some what isolate the incoming air charge from the engine heat. You should use it when you have hood clearance and need a decent dual plane intake.
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so if you have the hood clearance for it, it would be a better intake than a regular intake on any engine?
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How would the Edelbrock rpm air gap compare to this intake? http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/NEW-C...Q5fCarQ5fParts

Would the Edelbrock perform better? Both are air-gap designs for high rpms?
If it is a Professional Products intake then yes it will perform better. There is actually a dyno shootout on the net somewhere that shows the ProProducts intake making more power than the Edelbrock. But this manifold doesn't say what it is, so as they say buyer beware.
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can someone explain what is the benefit of an air gap intake and when it should be used and when it should not be used?
The operating premice is that cold air is denser, that is more molecules in a given volume than hot. Since oxygen is included it means there's also more oxygen. therfore more fuel can be added producing more power as a result.

In race vehicles this has considerable merit as there is enough turbulence within the intake system to bust up fuel droplets and mix the vapors with the air. Only vaporized fuel burns, the burning of which produces the power you're looking for. But there's a rub, most street engines don't induct with anywhere near the velocity needed to mechanically rip globules of fuel apart to a vaporous state from mixing with the air. To accomplish this on a street driven carburetor or TBI engine the factories turn to heating the intake to force vaporization. One could say this reduces power by lowering mixture density, but then it's the vapor that burns, so without vaporizing the fuel, what power is there. So a slow or moderate rev'ving engine without manifold heat has to be run excessively rich to get enough fuel vaporized to burn for power. This is exactly what's happening when the engine is stone cold and the choke is operating. The choked carb is forced to throw enough extra fuel into the passing air stream so that enough will evaporate to be burnable with in the engine to operate it, the rest just gets tossed out.

Extra fuel going out the exhaust unburnt is also being forced around the piston, taking the upper cylinder lube with it. This increases cylinder, piston and ring wear while contaminating to oil and reducing its effectiveness and life span. For a race motor or for someone living in LA this is a minor consequence since the high speed operation of a race engine reduces it's exposure to this or the warm temps of the southwest get the engine through the coldest part of its operating cycle rather quickly, everybody else is just taking thier chances

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