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VARS_85MONTE 09-30-2012 12:38 PM

Air Gap or performer rpm?
 
Building a new engine for my monte. But im down to the intake and cant decide on whether to buy an rpm performer or rpm air gap...

Here's the set-up...

350 bored. 40
completely balanced rotating assembly (9.7 compression )
906 vortecs... Completely reworked
750 holley vac secondary
lunati voodoo 268 (227/233 @50)
1.6 roller tip rockers
msd distributor
dacco 2200-2500 converter
turbo 350 trans
3.08 rear (soon to be 3.42)


looking for the best intake for my set up. Hoping for around 375 to 400 horses... But more concerned wit best intake. Any experience as to which performs better would be greatly appreciated...

vinniekq2 09-30-2012 12:52 PM

why not look for a used intake and w/e is best price is the best intake for you.If you find an older airgap,before you install it check the divider,,,there is a certain amount to machine in the older intakes that have a full divider.watch the video thats posted comparing the 2 intakes.that intake works better with the 1 5/8 header s.The bigger tube headers are for more horse power.
I think you will come close to the hp you are looking for.
not sure where the video is,but it is posted here somewhere

454C10 09-30-2012 03:53 PM

RPM Air gaps suck.

Slow warmups. Takes 30 minutes before the carb starts to act right when temps drop below 60.

Pain in the *** as everything seems to fall under the carb (in the "air gap" space).

Get the regular RPM.

Irelands child 09-30-2012 03:54 PM

I like the look of an air gap intake - but the basic idea of it is to keep the air fuel charge cooler. Really? impossible as the residence (cooling) time from air entrance into the carb to the combustion chamber at any rpm is measured at the third decimal point of a second. If it looks nice, the price is right, then the air gap will be your best bet. The positive effect is that these intakes tend to straighten the air flow as they are a bit higher.

oldbogie 10-01-2012 02:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VARS_85MONTE (Post 1595144)
Building a new engine for my monte. But im down to the intake and cant decide on whether to buy an rpm performer or rpm air gap...

Here's the set-up...

350 bored. 40
completely balanced rotating assembly (9.7 compression )
906 vortecs... Completely reworked
750 holley vac secondary
lunati voodoo 268 (227/233 @50)
1.6 roller tip rockers
msd distributor
dacco 2200-2500 converter
turbo 350 trans
3.08 rear (soon to be 3.42)


looking for the best intake for my set up. Hoping for around 375 to 400 horses... But more concerned wit best intake. Any experience as to which performs better would be greatly appreciated...

Performer RPM with no air gap. If this is a daily driver and air gap in winter is a PIA and the excess fuel you have to choke in to get it to run just kills the pistons, rings and bore by washing out the already thin lubrication at the top of the cylinder. Unless this is a race mahine that only comes out on summer Saturdays and Sundays the air gap just isn't the way to go. Or can buy the air gap then move to southern Arizona, Nevada, or California where it's sunny and hot most of the time.

I can assure you that the regular Performer RPM with everything else you've done will on an engine dyno deliver from 380 to 410 horses.

Bogie

cobalt327 10-01-2012 03:15 PM

Another vote for the RPM sans air gap. The two make basically identical power if the plenum divider is cut the same on the RPM as it comes on the air gap.


lakeroadster 10-01-2012 08:23 PM

I am running an Edelbrock RPM (not the air gap) on the 350 in my Model A and am very pleased with it.

http://inlinethumb19.webshots.com/14...600x600Q85.jpg

http://inlinethumb44.webshots.com/49...600x600Q85.jpg

cobalt327 10-01-2012 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by lakeroadster (Post 1595535)
I am running an Edelbrock RPM (not the air gap) on the 350 in my Model A and am very pleased with it.

http://inlinethumb19.webshots.com/14...600x600Q85.jpg

http://inlinethumb44.webshots.com/49...600x600Q85.jpg

I like those wheels and caps/rings:cool:. What are they from?

cdminter59 10-02-2012 05:23 AM

Air Gap or Performer RPM
 
My vote is for the Performer Rpm #71164. Another choice is the Weiand 8151C - Weiand Stealth Intake Manifolds. Both are excellent intakes.

Irelands child 10-02-2012 05:52 AM

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Originally Posted by cobalt327 (Post 1595444)
Another vote for the RPM sans air gap. The two make basically identical power if the plenum divider is cut the same on the RPM as it comes on the air gap.

I'm thinking an open spacer will accomplish the same. What they are doing is balancing the air flow pulses - and quite frankly, for day to day low and mid throttle operation that will detract from low end performance, idle and even a bit of gas mileage if my engine is an indicator. Might as well have a Victor type IMHO:eek:

Aluminum open spacer - gone now, replaced by a phenolic 4 hole version(but no photo):
http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i8...d/DSCN1737.jpg

Dave W

cobalt327 10-02-2012 08:54 AM

The 1" x 3" notched plenum divider of the RPM AG falls in between an intact plenum divider of a dual plane and an open spacer on a dual plane. It allows some of the benefits of a single plane but w/o all of the downside. In my experience using an Edelbrock C3B w/its cut out for the secondary throttle blade of the Holley 3 barrel extended out to a little over 3.5", it performs right in between an open spacer and no spacer or "notched" divider of a dual plane. This also seems to be the trend w/the RPM vs. RPM AG. An unmodified C3B is shown below, left. An RPM AG below, right. Below them is an RPM w/o AG, left and a Vic Jr, right.

http://www.crankshaftcoalition.com/w...px-CB3_003.jpghttp://www.crankshaftcoalition.com/w...01_air-gap.jpg
http://static.summitracing.com/globa...e/EDL-7101.jpghttp://static.summitracing.com/globa...e/EDL-2975.jpg

An open spacer on a dual plane will increase plenum volume- something that a notched plenum doesn't do, and this is part of the reason why an open spacer/dual plane often falls in between an open plenum and a standard dual plane w/o an open spacer in performance. Also there's no added carb height when using a notched plenum divider like there is using a spacer. The added height of the spacer can help allow the air/fuel to make the turn into the runners w/less deflection of the a/f when it hits the plenum floor at high rpm.

So it's hard to directly compare the Vic/Vic Jr. w/a notched RPM intake or an open spacer on a dual plane (not that anyone is) because of the runner lengths and added overall runner/plenum volume of the Vic that combine to raise its powerband over an RPM w/an open spacer or an RPM AG.

As far as cutting the RPM like the AG, because the carb height and runners are basically the same between the two intakes, that mod will make their top end output equal for all intents and purposes. Not saying that's the thing to do in every case- just saying that if the same powerband as the AG is wanted, it can be had by notching the divider. For the right engine and vehicle combo (low gears, higher stall speed, light weight, more track than street, etc.) notching the plenum (or adding an open spacer) can help more than it hurts. But for the majority of street driven vehicles, I think the non AG w/the plenum left as-is, IS the way to go.http://www.chevelles.com/forums/imag...s/thumbsup.gif

FWIW, I have always had better performance from a divided spacer on a dual plane (not always a 4-hole spacer). The spacer below I made from marine grade plywood for a 455 Pontiac engine running a Performer (this was before there was an RPM Pontiac intake). It picked up the quarter mile ET over a tenth, which was also pointing towards the engine wanting more intake and carburetor. Being wood, it acts as an insulator much better than metal and most other denser materials.

http://www.crankshaftcoalition.com/w...JET_single.jpg

VARS_85MONTE 10-03-2012 09:24 AM

Thanks for all the advice. I live in north Mississippi, we get cold weather and snow every now and again. I thought that I should run the air gap because it was along the RPMs as my cam. My cam is from 18-6200. But I don't want to sacrifice any low end torque by using too big of an intake..

cobalt327 10-03-2012 11:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VARS_85MONTE (Post 1595840)
Thanks for all the advice. I live in north Mississippi, we get cold weather and snow every now and again. I thought that I should run the air gap because it was along the RPMs as my cam. My cam is from 18-6200. But I don't want to sacrifice any low end torque by using too big of an intake..

The RPM won't sacrifice any appreciable amount of bottom end- especially compared to an open plenum intake. Both the RPM Air Gap and the RPM w/o air gap have the same 1500-6500 rpm advertised powerband.

IMHO the real debate here is whether the RPM w/Air Gap or w/o air gap is what you'd want to run. My vote is for the RPM w/o air gap. This is doubly so if you plan on driving in cold weather.

lakeroadster 10-03-2012 07:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cobalt327 (Post 1595553)
I like those wheels and caps/rings:cool:. What are they from?

You have a PM :welcome:


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