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Old 12-27-2005, 10:40 PM
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air line set-up

I just built a new garage with a a paint booth in it. What can i use to run air-lines throughout the shop thats reasonably priced can i use copper? I know people use to use the steel lines but do i really need that? thatnks any input would really be helpfull.

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STEEL WILL RUST
COPER IS EXPENSIVE
I LIKE PVC

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DO A SEARCH THIS TOPIC HAS BEEN GONE OVER THERE ARE A LOT OF GOOD THREADS ON THIS

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Check previous threads.(Search function) TONS of coverage, including nice detailed diagrams

IMO PVC shouldn't be used. I have a piece of schrapnel to prove it. ESPECIALLY IF YOUR SHOP DROPS BELOW 40 DEGREES!!!!

In retrospect, a 50' reel will will do as good or better of a job for you. I plumped the heck out of my 30x40 shop, and NEVER use them. I always use the reel.
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With all due respect to Rob I would never consider PVC because besides being dangerous to use(it is forbidden by OSHA and MSHA unless run inside metal conduit or buried underground) it is a poor conductor of heat and thus will contribute to water problems in your air lines. Copper is by far the best choice IMO and is really not all that pricey when compared to other things required for your new shop. If you will do a search there is a lot of recent info on plumbing air systems here that you may find interesting.
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Heres a helpful start, from 58Chev. Has some pics and alot of good tips.

Decisions... Looking for direction

Good place to help get you started. hth
http://www.oldsmobility.com/air-compressor-piping.htm
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thanks these are really helpfull. i will definately go with copper it seems the best by far.
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I ran black iron water pipe, which is ANSI rated for 150 psi. works for me, and because my shed is not heated, PVC was out of the question. Galvanized water pipe will not rust.
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I guess I never realized it was so
i ve worked in dozens of different shops I cant think of one that had copper.
I know one did have Steele on a triple phase motor
old IR and that SOB lit me up once that was it bye bye steel hello PVC after a electrician couldn't find what was wrong

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I concur with the 50 foot reel. I have one also and it does everything in my garage, and it was cheap .

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I've had two shops one plumbed with copper and one with pvc both worked fine. Although i liked the copper a little better. If you use pvc be sure to put about 2 ft of flexible hose from compressor to your lines.
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I will not recommend any single product, (copper, PVC, Steel pipe) but will give this information. Living in VA, it doesn't get that cold for long periods. I usually have some type of heat on in my garage in the winter to keep the temp in a reasonable range. I have used PVC in the last garage I had for about 8 years, and used it in the one that I have with no problems. From what I understand, it is pressure rated based on a temp of 70 degrees. If I lived in an area that saw freezing temps regularly, for extended periods, I wouldn't consider it. Plastic, like many other materials, becomes more fragile when forzen. If the stuff is pressure rated at 150 lbs at 70 deg, what will it hold at 30 deg?

Just something to think about.

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I think the PVC that should be used for air systems, if you are so inclined would be the grey electrical PVC conduit.

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This Plastic pipe debate has been going on for years and I suppose it will go on forever Black iron works ok but can cause problems with rust and galvanized works really good too but I usually recommend copper because it has the best combination of desirable characteristics. It is easy to install, free of rust problems and most of all contributes greatly to dryer air. Black iron and galvanized pipe are also good heat conductors but IMO just the lack of cooling from plastic is enough to avoid it.
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Rob, Good info and one little item in those reports brings up a possibility that someone running a commercial shop(or anyone with employees working in their shop) should consider, The fact that plastic pipe could result in fines and/or having to replace the air plumbing. While this would probably be of little concern to a home garage I know of at least one shop(private shop at a mine not a commercial shop) that was forced to re-plumb the air lines because of an MSHA citation. It is interesting to note, for those of you do use plastic, that they were running 125 PSI pressure on those lines with a short section from the tank to the regulator reaching 175 PSI and had not had a failure so far.
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well where i'm living it gets to -30 or more at times in the winter so pvc is definately out even though i try to keep it heated all the time. i will go with copper it makes the most sense. anyone suggest a good filter system thats priced reasonably? thanks for all the help this site is great!
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