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Old 01-31-2006, 02:01 PM
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Air Ride, but not for your normal ride...

Right first things first, i have had a good look around the previous threads and i doubt anything comes close, the reason being that my rides is alittle on the small side..... the road weight including a full tank of petrol is about the 660kg mark.... i've seen airbags that could fire my car off the ground and not see it again for a good few days, basically i need a really small set of air bags, (also in physical size as my working space is limited). the other thing im not sure on is what to include in my set up, all i want the car to do is to be able to drive at a good/safe ride height and then if i so wish, drop it to the ground or raise it up out the way of things.... i cant think of how to go about this..... help? oh and im not afraid of alittle fabrication work here and there, im good with my paws...


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Old 01-31-2006, 09:04 PM
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Air bag

mini, I have used bags from a air ride tractor trailer cab mount on small projects. They are the same material as their larger brothers but they only support the cab of the truck so they are not really large.
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hello,
i'm a fellow minitrucker who has a bagged ride and has bagged two friends. what type of vehicle are you looking to bag?
torsion bar minis (toyotas, nissans, mazdas, datsun) have these. to bag this type of truck, you take out your torsion bar, weld in a plate to the framerail underneath the upper control arm, and then weld a plate to the lower control arm for the bag to mount to. most people use 2500 pound bags up front on these (firestone 2500, airlift 2b6, contitech 2500, slam re6) and 2600 pound bags out back (firestone 2600, airlift ab7, conti 2600, and slam re7)
pictures of this can be found at www.whynotfab.com (click -the shop- then front bags. pretty much a good tutorial on all torsion minis).
if you have an S10- then you have a spring pocket which you put a cup that bolts to the stock shock hole, and one that bolts the cup to the lower control arm.
ranger- ibeam style, i dont wanna even mention those
no matter what your truck, you will need a few basic things:
a tank to hold the air
compressor if not running nitrogen
airline to transfer the air to the bags
valves to let the airflow
fittings to piece it all together
pressure switch is nice to automatically cut the compressor off
plus a bunch of things im forgetting
for the back you will need some sort of link setup to keep the rear axle in place, whether it be a 3/4 link. some people run monoleafs, but id recommend a 3/4link. 2links are not good for a bagged vehicle because the pinion angle is only straight at one height. you also can mount your bags in the back on different places, above the axle is a 1:1 ratio and should use a single convulated bag for a better ride like a Firestone F9000. If you mount your bags on either the lower bars, upper bars, or rear mounted lift bars, then a double convulated bag will give you great lift and great ride.
a couple of sites you should check
www.bagginit.com <--- very helpful
www.s10forum.com <---- register, and start searching. read everything you can, and then start understanding it. even if you dont own an s-series, it is still a very helpful site.
www.streetsourcemag.com <---- alot of minis there, and good information.
sites to look at buying from:
www.suicidedoors.com <--- rock bottom prices and awesome customer service
www.innovativeairsuspension.com <--- larry posts on here, and has probably the best customer service.
www.gauge-magazine.com <---- matt is a really cool guy and sells parts from AIM so you dont have to deal with them shipping it out.
www.ridetech.com <--- very high quality parts
both suicidedoors.com and larry are dealers for ART.
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Hmmmmmmm

Hmmmm now this is where things may get alittle strange.... the make of my car? and well shall we call a mini minitruck..... confused yet? it was made by British Leyland, its a pickup variant of the world famous mini (not the new BMW rubbish, but the old stuff), normal minis were made by Austin, Morris, British Leyland and Rover. The suspension is the same on all of the cars, just a diffrent body. Now the problem is in the fact that its a very small car and weighs about 1450 lbs total and the place to install an air bag is very small, but since its a feather weight im hoping small bags are in order....


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There is lots of small bags available! and if you can fabicate the mounts anything is possible. Any pics of the suspension?

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I'll see what i can get this weekend when i go home..... if not there are alot of pictures i can find online if im not able to...

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I don't know what 660kg is, but if it is really light, you might want to contact someone that deals in firestone industrial hoses and belts. They probably have access to the complete firestone air bag line. Which has a lot of different bag sizes, as bags are also used as vibration dampers on machinery.
Post weights in US pounds, front and rear weights also, and I'll try and help you out.

Larry

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Larry there is 2.2 LBS. to a KG

So his car weighs 1452 LBS.

yep, thats a small car!
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small car? you bet it is, im 6'2" tall and i had to fit a smaller steering wheel to be able to get my legs in easy.... small car like i said lol

anyway, front and rear weight im not sure on, its mostly up front due to the car being front engine/front wheel drive...... anybody finds this funny and they may want to read into the abilities of a mini when going round corners....... would i be right in thinking that it would be safer to over-rate the bags for a margine of safety? (e.g. work out what the weight is at each end, then go for the next biggest airbag up?) if thats the case call it 500kgs (1100 lbs) on the front and 400kgs (880lbs) on the rear. hope that helps...

Would using bags that are for machinery be taking a risk? (little thing called safety and potential messy death?)

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is your car simular to a mini moke? i personally have a morris traveler, so i know how light they are. a friend and i picked up the rearend and dragged the car back into my garage. i think my morris is 1800lbs total. that is until i put in the SBC.

as for your airbag question, the ones kwman suggested might work, but the stroke is short on them. i think it is only a couple inches. what i would suggest is looking at some motorcycle air ride setups. my friend has a set of bags from i think it was either a harley or honda and they are skinny. but the stroke it roughly 6" this may work in your case. if i get a chance i will see if i can get some pictures of it. but in comparision, the cycle only uses one in the rear suspension and some of those bikes can get up to 600-700 lbs. 4 of them should handle your car.
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Spot on! the mini moke was just a diffrent body, its all the same major mechanicals.... same rust problem even lol

Right...

I like the idea of motorcycle airbags over the idea of industrial, its closer to the intended purpose, but im up for anything as long as it works and won't kill me (not that im afraid of dieing... i just don't want to be there when it happens...). The six inch stroke sounds about the right size, i can space the rest out. The only worry i have is the max diameter of the bag, it may catch on the sides if i don't find the right size.

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cool... well i think the motorcycle airbag is about the size of a soda/beer can. maybe 2 1/2" wide? i'll see if i can get a picture. gotta get my friend to dig them out. we were just talking about putting them under my morris when we start that project.

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Hey MiniMiniTrucker- You should really post some pictures of your truck in your photo album. I dig those minis- especially the trucks. Super cool.

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Beer can? now that sounds like a really good size ( in more ways than one lol)... it would be really nice size, any idea on the tank and comperssor set up? if you could tell me more on where to find them it would be handy (model of bike or anything you know, it would narrow my seach)...


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