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Old 08-19-2006, 09:19 AM
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Air suspention recycling.

My name is Doug DeHaven.

I guess a little information is in order.

About 2 ˝ years ago I invented a way or recycling compressed air
And in the past few years have spent my time perfecting the system.

I tried to find interest in the custom truck scene but it quickly appeared to me the younger generation into the new trucks where not interested in a system like mine for one reason there is now ‘PSSSST’ sound as they stated it. Honestly I feel this is a blessing.

I feel the hot rod community would greatly benefit from this.
So To be honest I guess my reason for being here is not for advertising. But to gauge interest in my idea. To see if it is worth investing money into advertising and marketing.

With that said I will explain briefly what my system does (can’t say it all Patent pending..)

When you release the air out of your air springs it is normally released to the atmosphere. This is a noisy venture and often air mufflers are used. Also the air compressors can be quit noisy and slow to refill your tank.

My system will capture the expelled air and stored in a ‘BOOST’ tank. That through a special series of regulators it is force fed back into the inlet of the air compressor. To speed it up. A normal air system is now 2X the speed. Example.

If it normally took you 3 min to fill your tank from 110-145PSI it now till only take 1 min 30 sec with the same compressor. Not to mention the noise of the air compressor is manly generated at the inlet so by force feeding it the noise it dramatically reduced. And the best part I feel is there is NO noise from dropping your ride. Almost stealthy.

My questions for you are,

How long do your normally take to raise you vehicle from a dropped stance? (1~4 sec?)
How long to you normally have to wait for your compressors to re fill your tank?

If you have any questions please ask input will help (I hope) make this a future fantastic product.

If this post violates any part of your regulations Please E-mail me djd@landisusa.com and I will try to have it removed.

I look forward to your responses.

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Old 08-19-2006, 09:25 AM
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Also thought I would mention When it comes to compressed air systems I have done allot of research, I have personally tested almost every compressor in the automotive market.

I even made a calculator to help calculate the fill time of your system,
http://www.landisusa.com/ultracalc.swf

So if you guys have any questions pertaining to compressed air systems I will be here to help answer those to the best of my ability.
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Old 08-19-2006, 10:04 AM
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That system is interesting. How long does it take to drop the car with your system? Does it take longer? I know that people like the quick dropping of an open system. It adds some drama to their arrival

Is the main advantage to your system the quick rise?
Having the compressor be more quiet is most certainly a good thing.


It sounds like you are using the boost tank as a sort of static first stage to make the compressor a 2 stage. Does the extra heat and pressure that will be encountered by the compressor have any ill effects on it, or does it require a special compressor.

How much more space is required to install your system. many hot rods are pressed for space as it is. Wouldn't a larger compressor with intake muffler and bigger main tank , and bag exhaust mufflers accomplish the same thing?


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That system is interesting. How long does it take to drop the car with your system? Does it take longer? I know that people like the quick dropping of an open system. It adds some drama to their arrival

Is the main advantage to your system the quick rise?
Having the compressor be more quiet is most certainly a good thing.


It sounds like you are using the boost tank as a sort of static first stage to make the compressor a 2 stage. Does the extra heat and pressure that will be encountered by the compressor have any ill effects on it, or does it require a special compressor.

How much more space is required to install your system. many hot rods are pressed for space as it is. Wouldn't a larger compressor with intake muffler and bigger main tank , and bag exhaust mufflers accomplish the same thing?


Later, mikey
The speed is not effected unless used continuously. For example.

If you have a 8” diameter bag similar to a Firestone 2600 bag.
And the front is in a 2:1 lever setup and the same in the rear.

Lets say the weight of the car is 2,900 lbs,

Brake that down that is 28.95PSI max pressure before the car will not drop at full speed.

So if you have 100PSI in all four air springs and you drop it your 5 gal boost tank will full to 28..57PSI so you ride will drop at full speed and when the compressors kick on it will pull from the boost tank and now you are ready to drop again.


There are many more advantages I only listed a few. One benefit is you can run an inert gas through the system such as nitrogen or even helium to keep things clean and dry.

For one cubic foot bottle of gas will now last longer then a year.

About heat you are correct. But the advantage is when you compress air it generates heat so when you expand air it gets cold so by sending expanding air to the compressor it is cold and will counter the effect of heat when the air was compressed. So you end up with a compressor that runs cooler then stock.


About space if you currently run a 5 gallon main tank you can make that your ‘BOOST’ tank and then buy a smaller 2 gal main tank. And maintain same rise time but with faster recovery rates.
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Old 08-19-2006, 11:18 AM
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Here is a pic of a demo setup I did
This system was built to be fast it will produce 34.45CFM at 140PSI 3X faster then most shop compressors.

http://www.landisusa.com/newsystem.jpg

As far as I know I am the first person to ever mount the dump valves on an air tank
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Doug.... its good to see you overhear man.... now you will start talking about channeling, bobbing, sectioning, frenchin ect.... and forget about "bodydropping" and "space age fillers"
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Doug.... its good to see you overhear man.... now you will start talking about channeling, bobbing, sectioning, frenchin ect.... and forget about "bodydropping" and "space age fillers"

Thanks Tony,

It is nice to talk with people who are more interested in a nice ride then just one that 'sparks'

That and people who realy know what they are doing.
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My fill time is about 3 min on a 8 gall tank, drop time rear 3 secondsish (resticted so I dont fall out of the sky and bounce the tires off the ground when I air it up) and prob about 6-7 sec drop time on the front (also restricted for the same reason) pull the restrictors, ~1sec...its friggen quick I'd deffinatly be interested in a system like that...
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I've never even heard of your system Doug. I'd be interested in it for my truck.
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I like the idea of using inert gas, running a sealed system might lengthen the lifespan of your compressor eh?

sup seth.
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I like the idea of using inert gas, running a sealed system might lengthen the lifespan of your compressor eh?

sup seth.
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Welcome Doug.

You must be lookin for a new hang out?

Its me Kevin from Altered Altitude in Toronto
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I like the idea of using inert gas, running a sealed system might lengthen the lifespan of your compressor eh?

sup seth.

From my tests so far they seem to love helium.

And the nice dry factor keep everything clean!
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Welcome Doug.

You must be lookin for a new hang out?

Its me Kevin from Altered Altitude in Toronto

Hey man this is a real cool place to hang out,.



On a side note I have had this system in my truck for over 1 year now to get all the bugs worked out so far it has been fantastic.
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