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Old 06-05-2008, 06:44 AM
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Got it!

I painted over the foil and got the readings:

The final/final results:

At 10 minutes: 90 inside, 140 on the bottom
At 20 minutes: 100 inside, 150 on the bottom
At 30 minutes: 105 inside, 155 on the bottom

Very happy with the final results of the foam insulation!

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floats on the slightest breeze, so wear a dust mask when using them. I have not seen an MSDS sheet on it, but I would not want to find out what it could do to your lungs.


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I'm in school right now studying to become an aviation mechanic(more specifically an Airframe and Powerplant technician). And have studied and used microballoons more than once, you are correct on all but one thing, a dust mask will do virtually nothing to stop them from entering your lungs, and like asbestos once these "microballoons" enter your lungs they are there until the day you die, breathe enough of them and they reduce the efficiency at which your lungs pass oxygen to blood cells.

My (semi)professional opinion is to where a paint respirator when working with these as it filters microballoons much more readily than a dust mask will.
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2 cents

If theres a test that's consistent I'd be glad to try it. I just dont know what to think but in my car after being in the sun the roof was 153 degrees and on the roof I had 4 coats homemade lizardskin and bubble stuff. Bubble was high 90s and like 125 on areas that didn't have it on the roof. On the hood/fenders that had 6 coats maybe 5 degrees difference for inside/outside.
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'71 Nova,

Sounds like you hit on a winning combination!

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At 10 minutes: 90 inside, 140 on the bottom
At 20 minutes: 100 inside, 150 on the bottom
At 30 minutes: 105 inside, 155 on the bottom
It also made one heck of a nice looking installation!

I think that I am going you try the same process on my '63 TBird.

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This thread has been converted to a wiki article: Ceramic insulation.

Only the ceramic insulation portions of this thread were covered in the article. Thanks to 302 Z28 for starting this thread, and also to Alittle1 for starting the wiki article. Anyone can edit the wiki article -- just click the "edit" link at the top of the page, or click one of the [edit] links on the right-hand side of an article section.

Standing Issues:
--We still don't know if Hy-Tech's "additive" is the same product as the ceramic spheres sold at RC supply stores. Hy-Tech's website is suggesting that it's not.

--Also, can we confirm the "don't mix with a power mixer" advice? Hy-Tech sells a power mixer on their ceramic additive page, which they say to use for "fast easy mixing".

Hy-Tech and NASA
Regarding Hy-Tech's relationship with NASA. The word "spinoff" is used to describe their technology, but it's more accurate to say that they were featured in a NASA publication, called "Spinoff". When NASA was formed in 1958, the mandate encouraged dissemination of NASA research to the public. This eventually took the form of a magazine called "Spinoff", published since 1976. Hy-Tech is located close to Kennedy Space Center, and the Hy-Tech president worked at Cape Canaveral in the 60's and 70's -- so he probably had buddies at NASA. The technology is "spun off" from the ceramic tiles used to protect the space shuttle during reentry, which resulted in Hy-Tech being featured in Spinoff magazine.
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Tried the DP90/microbubbles last night.

I tried mixing the DP90 with the microbubbles last night. Went on real thick. Used a brush. I just did a small portion. Next time I'll at least use a 2" roller instead. Or....I may try spraying through one of my old cup guns with a large nozzle. Overall, it looks acceptable for under the dash.

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quickie

I tried a HF cup style paint gun to shoot this, and no dice. I ended up getting an undercoating gun off of ebay for $30 and it shoots on just fine. Just as well as the $140 LS gun that I used the previous day. Obviously it's not as durable as the more expensive one, but then since I don't intend to shoot this very often it works fine for me.

I tried rolling it on as well, but it took probably 5 or 6 hours per coat inside the car, and I think it went on thicker than shooting. Shooting took probably an hour or 90 minutes for the inside of my '51 Ford. I actually think I got better coverage with the roller, since I could get it into tighter places than the cup style gun I bought.

I think I got insulative properties out of the HMLS, but my gut feeling(known to be wrong now and then) is that I got more of a sound deadener effect.

I know that certainly I get less heat from the firewall, and it takes much longer to build up to a noticeable temp. Overall I'm glad I took the time to do it, certainly my car is the better for it.
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who has found the best place to get these ceramic micro balloons from ?
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See the wiki article for various inexpensive sources for micro balloons:

Ceramic insulation.
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Try: www.aircraftspruce.com , stock number 01-14600 3M glass bubbles 1lb. $8.25.
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ok i havea question

some places list glass micro bloons, while other list creamic micro spheres,

does one create a better insulator that the other,

the ceramic you can only get from hy-tech 11.95 per quart size bag

the glass you can get from wicks aircraft for 8.75 per 1 point bag(which i think is a quart bag also)

also i plan to use 2 layers of this fv516 the self adhesivefoam duct insulator, should i apply the paint and microspeheres under on top of the foam?
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Micro spheres are also called micro balloons. Just folks tryin to be different.
I got mine from Engelhard Corp. But they have been bought by BASF now.

I have plenty im willing to sell.
Brand new still in box, i have,

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1kg is 2.5lbs.

The engelhard part#'s and prices are, (min order $350)

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If anyone wants mine, let me know. I will sell it all for $*******. (a total of ***** kg's)
Or any particular one for $********** (1kilo=35oz.=2.5lbs)

Holler if you want pictures. They all basically look like white powder. Just different "grits" as the micron size changes.

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Welcome. I'm surprised there weren't moderators all over your post. You are new to Hotrodders bulletin board, so please remember: You can't offer something for sale, or post your contact info or web site in the Tech Help forums, whether you are just an individual or a huge company. If you have something to sell, put it in the classified section of the bulletin board. That is why your original post was edited by the Boss (Jon) and has all the *****s in it. Honest mistake,...no harm, no foul, just don't do it again.
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well i used about half of my beads from hytech,

i added them til i had a thick paste,

i could almost spread it , but just enough a paint brush worked,

probably thicker than needed, but i wanted the best i could

does anyone know if there is such a thing as too much of this?

i mixed it with lacquer paint, i had it laying around, it is just cheapy auto paint

i liked it since it was blue and thats what color i am going with on the rest of the car!
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Old 12-14-2008, 10:32 AM
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does anyone know if there is such a thing as too much of this?
No there isn't as long as it kept within reason.

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