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Old 11-08-2005, 10:04 PM
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Am i getting in over my head? Rust work

Heres a pic of a car i found. I really like te body but the car is an east coast car. So it is rusted pretty bad. Do you think this rust work is fixable?


the floor pan will HAVE to be changed. No idea on the frame and such. I really like the lines of the car but it just seems like it is not worth the $2600 the owner is asking. It does have every single orginal piece on the car.

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Old 11-08-2005, 10:26 PM
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i really like that car. What year/model?
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Be happy that you don't live in the upper midwest, rust is common out here. Of course anything is fixable, but do you have the ability and equiptment to fix it and how much is the sheetmetal going to run? Is the sheetmetal available or are you going to have to fabricate a lot yourself. There are going to be quite a bit of hours cutting all those areas out, and welding them in and preparing for paint. Plus rust is always fighting to come back. You may just be further ahead to find another car like that in better shape to start with, and to me the asking price seem kinda steep for all the rust repair it needs. You would have to figure all the sheetmetal you are going to replace, the price of other materials to get it done (welding wire, paint and body materials which are expensive nowadays, sandpaper, grinding disks, ect, ect, ect. It all adds up. Also how much is your time worth. How much will the vehicle be worth when its done. Not likely you would get the money you stuck into it back when finished if you were to sell it. Its up to you if you really like the car and want to do the work (and can) because you enjoy doing it and want to build it like you want, then I guess go for it, but I would try to talk them down a little. Also may want to look around for another car with less rust and compare prices. If all the parts are there though, that is one plus.
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Old 11-09-2005, 05:43 AM
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Based on the grill and the roof line I would say it is a 49 or 50 coupe or business coupe. I think I see a back seat through the window, so let's say coupe. The rust you can see in the photo can be fixed. The thing you would want to do first is have the frame checked for rust out or severe pitting. IMHO, you will need as a minimum a large compressor, a mig or tig welder, a selection of body hammers and dollies, and a selection of air and electric grinders. From there, Chevs of the 40's, EMS, and *****in Products have you covered for most of the sheet metal, including the floor pan sections. You may have to fab some of your own panels, but I think most of it would be structural, so, unless you are trying to build a concourse or a show car, no one would see it and appearance would be secondary. You can see what I mean by looking at my window boxes in my photos. As rusty as this one is, $2600 does seem a bit steep, but people go nuts for coupes. If the frame rails are solid, and you have the intestinal fortitude to stick with it, it could make a great car.
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Old 11-09-2005, 08:12 AM
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Oh my God Riot, leave those east coast cars on the east coast! Listen guy, those cars NEVER come this way, they want our California cars, we are not suppose to want their rusted hulks!

Don't even think of buying rusted common car like that, there are MANY of them right here with little or no rust.

I have a buddy in Modesto (just north of you about two hundred miles) who just bought only a few months ago, the EXACT same car. It is exact except is super cherry with no rust thru anywhere. It has a 350/350 combo and dropped spindles, a super nice little car, it was $1700!

You don't know how lucky you have it, don't ever settle for a rust bucket unless you have to, and you don't with a car like that, they are all over the place.

I have done an east coast car one time, my sister-in-laws 57 T-Bird. You have NO IDEA what rust is until you work on something like that. The TOPS of the fenders were rusted out because of mud sitting on top of the air ducts that ran thru them. The whole floor was gone, inner and outer rockers, floor braces, the FRAME was thinned by rust, it was a mess!

Leave it on the east coast until it is dead, poor thing.

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As these guys have been saying, its more about the time you would have to invest. I live in Massachusetts, and for some reason, that car doesnt look that bad, looks more like a southeastern car. I bought my Chevelle in NH and it had some rust. Rust happens. I suppose if you got under the car with a hammer on the frame, you would know more. Check the inner fenders, as well as the inner trunk fenders. My only advice about the whole car itself is not to settle. You never want to buy a car because you settled on it. You want to see it, be amazed, and buy it. Don't look over the whole car, assess it, and say, well, its pretty bad, but I think I could fix it. It will end up in the pasture of lost dreams, AKA the back yard. My 2 cents. Sam.
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You live in california you can do better. I live in the rust belt and would pass that one up.

There is no replacment for good metal. Sure you can work or pay someone to restore the parts needed but you can always wait/search and find better metal. In the end the better starting car will save you money.

It is not that rare. If you like the body style spend some time and find a good one.

You will have a more enjoyable experience working on a car that is more solid.
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Worth it?? You do the math.

I think what you really want to do is some basic math.

Look up how much it is going to cost you to make this car how you want it.

You have a few thousand in body work and paint, interior, engine, driveline etc.

I doubt you can get away with less than $8K and I would not be surprised if you get closer to $15k by the time you are done and you really add up all your costs to make the car happen.

Then ask yourself if you have the time, space and will to spend a few thousand hours to make the dream come true?

It is generally more economical in time and money to buy a nice car that has been started and the owner stalled or a finished car.


Just a few thoughts from someone who has been down the road.
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i really like that car. What year/model?
it's a '49 or '50 Chevy coupe
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It is not worth the asking price. the parts to fix that are available but, there going to rack up a bill. I bought my '51 Fleetline deluxe 4dr, new panals came with it, 1/4 patches, shure they are riveted on but I could easilly fix that, rockers were in the trunk, brakes were fixed, floor was fixed, and the motor was gaurenteed to run after I put in a new fuel pump and points/ condensor ( which I did, runs and drives great ), all for $800. I'd pass that up unless he is willing to go down about a grand and a half, even being a coupe, I'v seen '51 ( more desirable year for anything Chevy car ) hardtop coupes go for $750 or less in a lot nicer shape than that.
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this is what I got for $800 and this is a fairly rare car, '51 Fleetline Deluxe 4dr with the 235 PG, which is rare to find in a Fleetline, let alone a 4dr.
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Guys, i totally agree. It would be a nice parts car because every single original piece of interior is in the car.

Im just gettin frustarted thats all.
I think im going to pass on this car, unless the guy would lower the price $1,000.
My buddy with the body repair skills says that he would not even want to help me on this car because it is SOOO bad.

Anyways. Back to the ever long search!

I dont know how people pick up cars for so cheap. Every car i am looking for cost at least $2500 and that $2500 would be the biggest waste of money.
Anyways. Ill keep my eyes open for a california car!

If anyone has seen or knows someone who has a nice car for sale, I am even willing to ship the car to CA if i have to, But it better be worth it!
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Old 11-09-2005, 06:57 PM
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Down with rust!!

I fell for a '59 Biscayne 2 door in a farmer's field. (check photo album) Picked it up for $400 CDN and drove it back home. Gutted it and found I was in over my head with rust. So I sold it to another masochist.

I've learned that they're not all worth saving. It's a shame.

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check this ole timer http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...tem=4580248969
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Sometimes as rodders we bite off more than we can chew. Being in your area, it is my nelief that you can find something like that alot better. If you were on this side of the country, it may be different. I personally, being where I am, would not be afraid of that project, if I checked out the frame and it was solid, and it was all I could find in the area. Then again, I wouldn't pay that much for that thing, in that condition, and I am a glutton for punishment.

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