Hot Rod Forum banner

Anybody have any thoughts, burning hydrogen

21K views 82 replies 18 participants last post by  Dannyringo 
#1 ·
On running their engines on part hydrogen, I may use it on my Rod with my 2.3 engine. I have had good results on My Ford Windstar v/6 engine. The computer was easily fooled into using the hydrogen. My 1995 Ford escort the 1st year for Fords new injection system refused to use the hydrogen it just kept pumping in more gas. I could not trick the computer on the escort.
 
#2 ·
hydrogen or hho gas

have you the room to put a spark plug extender in the upstream o2 sensor hole with the 02 sensor screwed into the sparkplug extender? hho or browns gas tends to leave too much o2 in the exhaust, the o2 sensor sees the 02 count and adds fuel. moving the sensor out of the direct flow MAY or maynot help you. i have read where folks had good results, others, no change.......ya may want to spend some time perusing the net for browns gas, alt fuel, hho. there is a buttload of info out there in cyberspace and folks that have been down the same road you are on..best of luck bro.
mark
 
#3 ·
Thanks

mssj113 said:
have you the room to put a spark plug extender in the upstream o2 sensor hole with the 02 sensor screwed into the sparkplug extender? hho or browns gas tends to leave too much o2 in the exhaust, the o2 sensor sees the 02 count and adds fuel. moving the sensor out of the direct flow MAY or maynot help you. i have read where folks had good results, others, no change.......ya may want to spend some time perusing the net for browns gas, alt fuel, hho. there is a buttload of info out there in cyberspace and folks that have been down the same road you are on..best of luck bro.
mark
>. I have since sold the Escort but I did put a spacer on the O2 sensor and it didnt work so i did 2 of them and still no dice. I knew it was sensing the Hyd oxegen residue but couldnt figure it out. My lawn mower likes it
 
#4 ·
Spark plug

rsfyj said:
>. I have since sold the Escort but I did put a spacer on the O2 sensor and it didnt work so i did 2 of them and still no dice. I knew it was sensing the Hyd oxegen residue but couldnt figure it out. My lawn mower likes it no computer saves gas.
>I should have played with resistors in series with the sensors before the air butterfly etc but its history now
 
#5 ·
rsfyj said:
On running their engines on part hydrogen, I may use it on my Rod with my 2.3 engine. I have had good results on My Ford Windstar v/6 engine. The computer was easily fooled into using the hydrogen. My 1995 Ford escort the 1st year for Fords new injection system refused to use the hydrogen it just kept pumping in more gas. I could not trick the computer on the escort.
Hmm, maybe that has something to do with the Windstar throwing codes and a check engine light mentioned in another thread? :rolleyes:
 
#6 ·
Anybody have any thoughts, burning nitrogen

On running their engines on part hydrogen, I may use it on my Rod with my 2.3 engine. I have had good results on My Ford Windstar v/6 engine. The computer was easily fooled into using the hydrogen. My 1995 Ford escort the 1st year for Fords new injection system refused to use the hydrogen it just kept pumping in more gas. I could not trick the computer on the escort.
 
#7 · (Edited)
Yesterday, 11:19 PM
Jaer007ll
Registered User

Join Date: Feb 2012
Posts: 2
Wiki Edits: 0

Anybody have any thoughts, burning nitrogen


On running their engines on part hydrogen, I may use it on my Rod with my 2.3 engine. I have had good results on My Ford Windstar v/6 engine. The computer was easily fooled into using the hydrogen. My 1995 Ford escort the 1st year for Fords new injection system refused to use the hydrogen it just kept pumping in more gas. I could not trick the computer on the escort.

..post..copy and new thread ? Mistake I guess..
 
#9 ·
Gas Mileage

My 2002 Windstar went from 14 mpg to around 24mpg on a trip and when its around 60 mph average speed. I have a 22 gal gas tank and this amounts to 220 more miles per tank full. Figure that out by $3.75 per gal for gas average now this is a massive savings. Of course around town I only get 4 to 5 more mpg because I can go 55 to 60 mph. My system works on hydrogen on demand it uses all it makes and stores none. So any dangers of fire and explosions from storage is nil. Still problems exists freezing in winter unless you bring it inside I tried alcohol it still froze once the jugs gets 50% full of Alcohol and 50% Hydro mix you have weakened the mix and don't get enough Hydrogen. But I have had this for 3.5 yrs or so and will keep it going. I will try to include this Hydrogen on my Rod and see if I can stretch the MPG. And the electrical charged coils burn out after 6 months or so. But replacements are 15 bucks the cost of about 3 gallons of gas, not bad. I have all the stuff to try to hook one of these up to my Oil Furnace and try to save on Mid east oil. But havent had the time yet. My lawn mower likes it .
 
#10 ·
Docc said:
Yesterday, 11:19 PM
Jaer007ll
Registered User

Join Date: Feb 2012
Posts: 2
Wiki Edits: 0

Anybody have any thoughts, burning nitrogen


Nitrogen is not flammable. If it were, the world would be on fire.
Hydrogen is pretty impractical, and I dont understand what "residue" it could leave behind. When hydrogen is burned all it leaves behind is water .
Of course if you are mixing in the airstream of an internal combustion gas engine, who knows what that is doing, I am sure it is throwing off the hydrocarbon and monoxide amounts, affecting catalytic converter operation.
 
#11 ·
Absolutely not

My emission tests here in Mass was better than if I dint have the hydrogen. the by products are water and Oxygen only good for emissions. Our state likes cars that use hydrogen its cleaner. You should go to the sites that have this and get some info. Don't listen to the types that still think the Wright Brothers never Flew. This Hydrogen works it burns hotter than Gasoline. so you have to not go over board and hurt your valves. Ive done the research. Go you tube and see demonstrations of Hydrogen burning from a canning jar with water and baking soda. When I first saw that i was sceptical until I did the same experiment, Then i made one for my car.. And its all history now for 3.5 years. Burns cleaner than any factory car that uses just gas..
 
#13 ·
Just got off youtube

and found a lot of proof for hydrogen generators. go to you tube and punch in a search for hydrogen generators look for this one or others( hydrogen generator finally proven pt.1 ) There are lots of videos to see with proven Hydrogen gas savers easy to make or buy
 
#14 ·
rsfyj said:
and found a lot of proof for hydrogen generators. go to you tube and punch in a search for hydrogen generators look for this one or others( hydrogen generator finally proven pt.1 ) There are lots of videos to see with proven Hydrogen gas savers easy to make or buy
Thank goodness... years of engineering failures have been solved by a 3-minute video showing you how to violate the laws of physics.

We can all sleep well tonight. :thumbup:
 
#16 ·
I can't bypass this thread, I have to comment. I know it will cause consternation and angry replies but here-goes. For the record I am a 40 yr practicing mechanical engineer and have been working in the energy industry the entire time. I believe the Wright bros. flwe, that men really went to the moon

Hydrogen is not a source of energy. It is the gaseous equivalent of electricity which also is not a source of energy. They do not exist in usable form in nature. They are energy transport media and cost energy and money to generate. If you look at the 'carbon footprint' we would be far better off burning the oil/coal/natural gas directly instead of generating hydrogen or electricity. Both consume 30%-40% of available energy in their generation. Thus electricity and hydrogen will always cost about twice that of hydrocarbon fuel alternatives. We pay a heavy price to convert energy into the convenient form of electricity but time has shown it is cost effective to do so. That can't be said yet for hydrogen gas.

You-Tube miracle hydrogen generators (if they work, some are complete scams) use a variation of the sophomore chemistry class of electrolysis (DC current in salt water, O2 gas bubbles @ the + lead, H2 bubbles @ the - lead then you collect the H2 in a test tube and light it behind the cute girl @ the next lab table and scare her spit-less; you know the drill). You pay a double hit for the electricity then another double hit for the hydrogen that cmes from electricity. In commercial practice the most economical source of hydrogen is reformed natural gas, not electolysis which throws off a bunch of carbon and still is not cost competitive w/ gasoline.

This doesn't impact the premise of the posts on the thread. H2 may well be a great fuel to burn in an IC engine. However it can never be a commercial use since it costs so much to generate and doesn't have the convenience, efficiency, energy density, cost effectiveness, etc., etc., etc., advantages of good old gasoline.

A possible solution to this conundrum is generating electricity w/ nuclear power and then generating possibly reasonably inexpensive hydrogen by electrolysis. But a recent study calculated that the US would need 600 new nuke plants to supplant mobile transportation fuel; the Fed just issued a new nuke plant permit last month - the first one in 40 years. No more are in sight.
 
#17 · (Edited)
Read my thread

I never said it was for commercial uses. I save big time with it and it costs me nill. 12 volts at 4 amps through coil and solution and pipe it into the intake. I get 10 more MPG now what,s wrong with that. Do you think I would have kept on using this if it did not work. 3.5 years I have had this. You slide rule text book readers should get out in the field and see it work. I have one and so do many of my friends. Baking Soda and distilled water. you guys make me laugh I can shut all your mouths easily I have a working unit and proof it works. I used you tube because i cant make a video myself, but that's where I saw it work and also the hydrogen torch work that means it burned. Now run it through your intake to the cylinders and it will burn. When it does it will use less gas. I showed a College professor in up state NY. After he saw it work and i gave him all the info he walked away screaming it will never work. Now this guy teaches your kids and mine. This is what I run into all the time people who are arm chair judgement passers who have never been in the field to investigate instead just flap their mouths. I have the proof in my Van and I could care less what you think. I am getting the extra 222 MPG per tank not you,l, heehheehhe And if I can get it to work in my Rod I will use it there also. Any way I am used to this type of response because it destroys what many have believed over the years or what they were told by some left Wing professor who says it wont work, when I have one that does.. Thickness is tough to penetrate The discussion is over on my side I have the goods I don't need to preach to non believers some still think the twin towers are still there as the Government used an invisible gas to make it not seen. bye, bye
 
#18 ·
Hydrogen is not a Source of energy

hmm what in hell did they use in the Hydrogen Bomb? Chicken ****??? hydrogen is very explosive but has no energy. hmm i better get my books out. H2O the O is oxygen very flammable but has no energy. hmmmm that same oxygen goes into your combustion chamber and goes bang when the plug fires but it has no energy, it can"t work because my college professor said so, along with Mobile, Exxon, Shell, well you know where I am headed..$4.00 bucks a gallon lets keep this ball rolling that's what they want.. eheheh I found a way not to finance every Terrorist from going to Bomb belt school with the gas money.
 
#22 ·
rsfyj said:
hmm what in hell did they use in the Hydrogen Bomb? Chicken ****??? hydrogen is very explosive but has no energy.
He said "Hydrogen is not a source of energy" wich translates into " there isnt hydrogen just laying around to use for energy"

It does not exist is usable form in nature.

Then He said "It is the gaseous equivalent of electricity, which is also not a source of energy" Again it does not exist in a usable form in nature

The difference I see here is pretty plain to see. You are saying it is a usable source, but are missing the point that it takes energy to produce that source.
I wish we could drill wells for hydrogen, but that in itself would be pretty risky. It would make more sense to try and harness lightning as a source of energy. Just a thought.
 
#23 ·
"My 2002 Windstar went from 14 mpg to around 24mpg on a trip and when its around 60 mph average speed."


Just so I'm clear on what your saying.........You can get 24 miles to the gallon from your Windstar? I assume it has the 3.8 V-6?

Just so you know......14 MPG is absolutely hideous fuel mileage from a 3.8 Windstar. I think my worst mileage ever was 16.5 with a bad injector. A trip to Missouri last June netted 23.5 out and 25 back while running 70 to 75 MPH. 5 adults and a child.........The way I have it figured, your still in the hole from what I get without an HHO generator...
 
#24 ·
rsfyj said:
hmm what in hell did they use in the Hydrogen Bomb? Chicken ****??? hydrogen is very explosive but has no energy. hmm i better get my books out. H2O the O is oxygen very flammable but has no energy. hmmmm that same oxygen goes into your combustion chamber and goes bang when the plug fires but it has no energy, it can"t work because my college professor said so, along with Mobile, Exxon, Shell, well you know where I am headed..$4.00 bucks a gallon lets keep this ball rolling that's what they want.. eheheh I found a way not to finance every Terrorist from going to Bomb belt school with the gas money.
WOW! Are you saying your battery powered hydrogen flux capacitor splits the hydrogen atom ala the hydrogen bomb?! If so I take back everything I said; with a breath of hydrogen gas you can power your car for several decades.

Incidentally I still have my slide rule and was a power user in the day. My grad present from Fresno State. A Pickett bamboo 11"er with a heavy leather case & belt loop. Great nerd attire, all you need is a pocket pal, black slacks, white sox, black patten oxfords and button up short-sleeve white shirt to complete the ensemble.

Oh, and oxygen isn't flammable. It is a strong oxidizer. The technical definition (I know, if it is technical it loses all credibility with true believers) of flammable is tendency to exothermically combine with an oxidizer like oxygen. And I don't recall saying hydrogen doesn't contain a lot of energy. Of course it does. Hydrogen fuel cells are indispensable in certain applications. But you spent 1.3 to 1.5 times the exothermic oxidation energy it gives up when you generated it and you can't get that 0.3 to 0.5 back. I know I can't convince you and I prefaced my original post with the expectation of hostile response but perpetual motion class machines just can't work. If a rigorous economic analysis of your contraption showed it attractive, Exxon would definitely put a contract out on you and anyone you told your story to. If you think about it, the fact that you are still alive is proof engineers are probably telling you the truth. Just sayin' . . . .

Another thought; if you really believe in the contraption, why not start a business building and installing them? That is how Bill Gates, Henry Ford, Thomas Edison, Robert Fulton, Cyrus McCormick , et al, made their fortunes. Doesn't take a lot of money, just a dream and determination. If it is good, it sells itself.
 
#25 ·
Listen Guys it works it saves me money it saves gas

I don't understand why some of you run off on a tangent with different criteria to bash this savings i get as well as many others in USA you are not ever going to get out of your Gas rut unless you start to think out of the box instead of thinking like Exxon. I have a winner and I know what I have I don't have any more time to argue with turnips. it works. i don't mind being the winner in this one. Admins you can dump this thread as this technology is for the home owner that pays through the nose and we are using it to our advantage. And even if my Windstar gets bad mileage Im still ahead as I enhanced it a lot. So I win again. Stop financing the crooks in the Petroleum business.
 
This is an older thread, you may not receive a response, and could be reviving an old thread. Please consider creating a new thread.
Top