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Old 12-30-2005, 07:23 PM
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Anyone had their car painted recently?

I just took the '55 Chieftain to a couple of shops for paint and body quotes and got huge sticker shock!! I painted the last 2 cars in my garage, but it is wayyyy tedious so I figured I would budget to have this one done by a shop, but I didn't figure on the $8k at one shop and $14k at another.....
What have others had to pay?
The car has very minor dings and no rust......
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Old 12-30-2005, 07:30 PM
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There is no such thing as a minor ding let alone very minor.

You can save the hassle of dealing with "fair market values" by doing it yourself. Much more rewarding in the end and with the dough you save you'll be able to smile and use top shelf products..
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Old 12-30-2005, 08:41 PM
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Thanks for the response Milo!, and great article on using body filler over on the other BB!! Kudos!

Like I said: I did 2 cars already in my driveway, and I think I may be wearing out my welcome with the neighbors. Both vehicles needed some bodywork. i did a 240Z that needed just about every bodyline recreated (which I did by taping the bodyline, then using filler, then removing the tape and using filler on the other side....worked out great)......anyways, just wanted to point out that I understand the amount of work required for varying 'ding' and dents.
I just wasn't ready for the amount of money the locals are asking!!! Guess I will grease the wheels with the neighbors and get at it!!
Maybe I can get it to final primer stage, then have the shop shoot the BC/CC?
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Well Tim,

Not to be funny. But you could take 5g and build a two car garage to do your work in then you save money and increase the value of your property. Just a thought.

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Old 01-10-2006, 06:26 PM
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Yeah taking a ride to someone can definetely be a costly experience, That's how I originally ended up in the business, cause i couldn't afford to pay someone else to do the job, now i'm charging to do the work and still struggling to pay all the bills... there's just no easy way..
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Old 01-11-2006, 03:31 AM
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Milo, like usual, has a very valid point about the "dings". When Painting, no "ding" are minor. If they are missed, they look like the grand canyon. If it is a daily driver type of vehicle, it may not be that big of a deal. When it comes to a "collector car" or "hot rod" of some type, people are alot more picky. No reputable shop would take on a project like that without completely going over the vehicle to make sure every panel is as straight as they have the ability for. That takes time, and time is money.

Be aware that, if you start the work, you may have to go all the way to the end yourself. I would suggest you check with the shops about them painting it if you do the rest, before starting. I know alot of shops do not want to paint over someone else's work. If they do, they will not be that strict about the quality of their work, because they are not going to stand behind the bodywork and prep either. If something goes wrong later, you can be sure they will claim that it will be because of something you did wrong, not them.

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I say give the neighbors $5000.00 and use THEIR garage ................I'll say it for you...........I'm such and idiot
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I know what you mean. The big shops are now into insurance with their over inflated prices. It's hard for a small time paint shop to make it anymore. The guy that painted my Olds years ago is no longer in business due to over-regulation and overwork. He gave a good paint job at a good price, but still had problems staying solvent and just gave up. I guess I'll be doing my own paint jobs at those prices.
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Old 01-11-2006, 07:51 PM
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There is no doubt that you can do it a lot cheaper. When you consider that you don't have to pay for the different insurances involved in any business, specially related to auto repair, you don't have to pay the payroll and related expenses, and also the costs of owning and running the paint booth and equipment, you can save a lot. Then again, you will need to purchase all of the equipment, paints, reducers, clears, activators, primers, masking materials, and sandpapers. None of that will be cheap either.

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Old 01-11-2006, 07:58 PM
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There are operating costs for every business. There's nothing wrong with making money either. This is just not a cheap hobby any more. The cost of everything is up. Paint jobs are not cheap, even if you do it yourself.
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I Think What People Dont Really Understand Is There Is A Ton Of Work In Painting A Car, I Have Been In Businesss For 15 Years, I Specialize In Classic Cars, On The Other Hand I Also Do A Honda Or Acura Overall Every Now And Then. Well In The Past 5 Years Material Cost Has Almost Tripled, I Am In The South And Some Of These People Will Pay 4 And 5 Thousand Dollars For Rims And Tires And Then Expect A 1500.00 Flawless Paint Job, Well In My Opinion There Is No Such Thing As A Cheap Paint Job. If Someone Wants A Cheapo I Will Send Them To Macco, Quality Counts And Quality Materials Count. The Cost Of Everything Is Higher Than It Use To Be, Take For Instance Gas Prices 235 Here Several Years Ago 99 Cent, So As Time Goes On Things Are Only Going To Get Higher.
So When You Say 5 Or 6 Thousand Is High For A Paint Job, Well Think About It, Is It Really? No Matter What Type Of Motor Or Wheels You Have , The Paint Job Is Really What Counts.thats What People Are Looking At.also I Have Done 1000 Dollar Jobs Before And Have Been Bit In The Butt!!!!there The Ones You Always Have Problems With, Why??? Because Your Trying To Be On A Budget With It, I Know Everyone Cant Spend 5 Or 6 Grand On A Paint Job, So I Guess You Get What You Pay For. Mike.
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You get what you pay for, no doubt. I paid for a MAACO paintjob in 1986 and the car had to be totally repainted due to all the trash in the paint after it was shot. I think they rolled it outside before it dried, in Tucson, and sand blew into the paint. What a mess!.
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Old 01-11-2006, 09:09 PM
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Ikes it sounds like a mess.... here's my take on this.. like I said before i couldn't afford to pay someone else to do the job so i tackled it myself. then i started doing work for people on the side after work.. was charging $1500-2000 for a complete paint job and making killer money.. ok now I own my own shop and prices are all over the place 3k and from there the sky is the limit.. so far my highest build ended up at about 100k. ok now that stated,, I come to work just about every day.. worked the day before christmas, the day after which was my birthday, and even stopped to check on the things i painted the day before on christmas.. ok so i figure 10-15hrs a day usually 7 days a week.. this is getting old mind you.. ok now heres the fun part, even though i'm getting paid good money to do the work I do I can barely pay the bills.. I'm on a tight budget out here.. I'm in the process of trying to sell one of my buildings because it is so inefficient to opperate out of.. and build a smaller building that will be extremely insulated with heated floors.. i'm going to make a little on the building so I can pay off my dept and put the extra towards the building.. so my profit will be from the building, and not my labor.. I just have to downsize a little and have a more efficient setup in order to make it... I understand it seems rediculous to work so many hrs and not have a whole lot of cash to play with is rediculous, but that's how it is.. i'm not going to loose my investment.. the upside is I still enjoy the work but i don't want to begin to hate it..
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Old 01-11-2006, 09:16 PM
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Ok now here's my next point, giving that I work this many hrs and still not taking in much cash.. I tend to not have alot of patience to the people that come in still wanting that $1500.00 flawless paint job.. let alone the chance of getting a paint job at that price.. It's very irritating to say the least . but at the same time I do understand to some extent do to the fact that I was on the other end... but i didn't argue or complain I just kindly walked away and found a alternative route.. now I'm good friends with all in the shop, and talk to the owner on a regular basis..
but the point i'm getting to is that it's just hard to make a good living in the business, some people do it and do good.. when I worked for someone else in a production shop was my best time.. that's when I made the best money.. but now being on my own, it's difficult.. every time I turn around there is a huge bill knocking at the door.... but anyways enough rambling.. i'm just saying next time you go to a shop for a estimate, just understand that there's much more than meets the eye when it comes to running a shop.. it's not always easy.. but at the same token I love what I do and don't see me doing anything that's not auto related.. it's kinda like my drug.. and working on cars is better for me than the alternatives...
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Old 01-11-2006, 09:37 PM
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Like I said in the first post, I have painted 2 cars myself, and I don't feel like doing it again.....I know how much work is involved.
I just did not expect $14k.....I guess doing it myself, and not needing to make a 'profit', I never added to the cost to come up with a price.....I never said, or at least mean't to say, that they were trying to rip me off, rather that I got sticker shock!
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