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Old 01-10-2006, 05:00 AM
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applying satin metal flake

I would like to spray mini metal flake (satin) mixed in nason 496 clear and over fullthane. Will this work well? Must I mix the flake in an intermediate clear? Also, have noticed some seem to mix the flake directly with the paint. I am going for just a subtle color change and not too dramatic. Am I off track here?

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You will get more effect mixing it with the clear as you described.
Not to many add it to the color anymore, but maybe you should shoot a test
panel and see what effect you're after.
Some really like the intercoat, it gives you a way of getting your flake
coverage consistent with a lower film build than using regular clear.
And a little easier to apply without runs. (I personnaly don't like it.
I had some problems with my base when using intercoat.)
You still have to clear over the intercoat, intercoat is not a final coating.
I am more likely to do as most others and add my flake to the regular clear,
You just have to make sure you don't get any runs in that coating.
And topcoat with a couple "flakeless" coats so you can cut and buff
without hitting any flake.
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pearls i will usually mix into an intercoat clear and flake i will put in regular clearcoat. occasionly i will mix a pearl into certain color bases like black but never flakes. jim, i cant imagine why you would have a problem with your base since intercoat is just clear basecoat itself. thas interesting!!
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If you have never sprayed flake before, I RECOMMEND playing with it on some scrap metal FIRST. WAY to many novice painters make the mistake of not experimenting first and end up with a disaster.

You can use some Nason binder for a cheap intercoat if you like. I use this instead of SG-100 quite a bit now and it is like spraying another coat of base paint, Mixed the same as Nason regular base coat.Either 2:1 or 1:1 depending on how thick you want it. I generally use the 1:1 for this.

Another tip is after spraying a coat of flake,shoot just "air" over it to make the flake "lay down" so's you don't have trouble with it sticking up and causing you grief when cutting & buffing. This is usually with the bigger flake but even the small stuff can be a problem occasionally.
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jim, i cant imagine why you would have a problem with your base since intercoat is just clear basecoat itself. thas interesting!!
I agree, I couldn't get the intercoat to go over a DuPont Chromabase
silver without disturbing the base a little, it made the base mottle a little,
just enough to give an uneven appearance, like zebra striping.
I tried twice, the second time I allowed my base to dry extra long,
even with that I had to put the intercoat on lightly or it would stripe
the base. Could be that the DuPont base is really an acrylic enamel
conversion instead of a true basecoat, I don't know.
I do think the intercoat is harder to sand and takes longer to set up than
regular clear so I just use regular clear now instead and think it's easier.
But that's just me.
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ohh thats right, i remeber you posting that before. now that you say that i have the same thing happen, sort of, if i spray intercoat over airbrush work. i never do this anymore because the little dropplets of intercoat hit the artwork and rehydrate the airbrushing, on a very small scale and you lose alot of the detail. makes it look grainy. i have figured out what the cause was though. hok intercoat is very thick and for some reason doesn't like to atomize well so i usually overreduce it a little. the extra reducer is whats doing it combined with the fact that there isn't alot of binder in the airbrush paints and its so thin, delicate and goes on so dry. i bet if you threw a little catalyst in your chromabase, let is set up overnight and tried it again you wouldn't have the problem.
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