I am building up my clientele and it's time to move onto bigger and better things...
NEW GUN TIME... I have been using the HF 2 Gun combo, along with the Cobalt Gen 1 blue gun...
My budget is anywhere from 100-350ish...
I shoot dupont chromasystem, and nason brand normally. Also some kline's auto high build clear (where i purchase my paint products)...
I plan on using the HF guns as primer, and sealer guns, and the new gun is going to be spraying the bc/cc.
These were some of the guns i was looking at, but i am still a novice. So i would like some other suggestion's or even feed back on what gun i should choose.
Devilbiss Plus GFG-670 Plus
Devilbiss GTI 620G Millennium
Devilbiss FinishLine 3
Save your pennies and go with either SATA or Iwata..those are the two guns you will see in the pro shops and there is a reason for that..You can shop around and find those guns for around 400.00 if you take your time..
Go with the Devilbis Plus. I GUARANTEE it will lay paint down as slick as a Sata! I WAS a SATA only guy. It will also use less paint than a 3000rp. I know for a fact. The only place you will possibly get a 3000rp that cheap will be ebay. If you can find one, then get it ONLY because if you decide to sell it at sometime you will get a higher price than the devilbis
Save your pennies and go with either SATA or Iwata..those are the two guns you will see in the pro shops and there is a reason for that..You can shop around and find those guns for around 400.00 if you take your time..
Go to tcp globals web site. They have most paint guns there. The Plus puts out the SAME amount of over spray as ANY SATA. Like I said, I was a Sata only guy until a year ago.
Go to tcp globals web site. They have most paint guns there. The Plus puts out the SAME amount of over spray as ANY SATA. Like I said, I was a Sata only guy until a year ago.
--- i was looking at a iwata lp400 but that is so damned pricey and out of my range... maybe once i start pulling multiple cars a week, but now i am only doing a like 4-5 cars a month atm.
and i still am relatively a novice.
i will probably end up just getting the devil plus. its in my price range just that its not HVLP is kinda weird.
what is your compressor set up? That is something you need to take into consideration when choosing between a hvlp or non hvlp. A non-hvlp will use more air (such as an iwata-W400 or Sata-RP). My pick is the iwata lph400. If you look around enough you can find one at a decent price. I bought one from my previous boss (though it was a w400) for $150. It was only used for a year or 2 (not everyday use). Even if it is out of your price range, it will be worth the extra money..trust me. If you are planning on doing this for a living, you need to make the investment on a top quality gun that will serve you for years to come. I've had my lph400 for over 3 years now and have never looked back.
what is your compressor set up? That is something you need to take into consideration when choosing between a hvlp or non hvlp. A non-hvlp will use more air (such as an iwata-W400 or Sata-RP). My pick is the iwata lph400. If you look around enough you can find one at a decent price. I bought one from my previous boss (though it was a w400) for $150. It was only used for a year or 2 (not everyday use). Even if it is out of your price range, it will be worth the extra money..trust me. If you are planning on doing this for a living, you need to make the investment on a top quality gun that will serve you for years to come. I've had my lph400 for over 3 years now and have never looked back.
its a 120g tank i belive and its somewhere near 18-20cfm... if i remember off the top of my head. i am using the purple HF guns at around 33-35psi at the handle and the compressor goes on once while im doing the entire car.
air supply is non of my concern considering the set up i am using now, i am just not having problems.
you say spend the extra for the gun... but the thing is... if its my budget, its the budget im sticking to. i literally dont have the money to put up for the other gun. or i gladly would. i just cant afford like another 100-125 for a iwata400.
I bought my Iwata lph400 lv used off ebay for 265 in excellent condition. I also just missed one local on CL for 300...and it had all 3 tips (orange, purple, and silver)! Just keep looking...the deals are out there.
I bought my Iwata lph400 lv used off ebay for 265 in excellent condition. I also just missed one local on CL for 300...and it had all 3 tips (orange, purple, and silver)! Just keep looking...the deals are out there.
--- i was reading that the 400 was kinda lame to do entire cars with because yuo cant go fast. its a slower paced gun " " from another member on this forum.
--- i was reading that the 400 was kinda lame to do entire cars with because yuo cant go fast. its a slower paced gun " " from another member on this forum.
I read the same thing before buying mine, but after using it I just don't see that. Maybe I'm just a slow painter. I did read somewhere that you could paint faster with the purple or orange caps, but so far I only have the silver.
I read the same thing before buying mine, but after using it I just don't see that. Maybe I'm just a slow painter. I did read somewhere that you could paint faster with the purple or orange caps, but so far I only have the silver.
look at TCP global. They have lots of guns. Countilaw said he uses the Finishline, I think, and said he loves it. I haven't used the lvh 400, but I know the Iwata I DID use was an EXTREMELY slow gun. If you like the speed of a SATA, it is REAL hard to get used to going slow. And the older Iwatas had a very narrow pattern so not only were you going slow, but you were having to go over the same panel COUNTLESS times. ain: BUT, me personally, I like to paint fast that's why I loved satas.
look at TCP global. They have lots of guns. Countilaw said he uses the Finishline, I think, and said he loves it. I haven't used the lvh 400, but I know the Iwata I DID use was an EXTREMELY slow gun. If you like the speed of a SATA, it is REAL hard to get used to going slow. And the older Iwatas had a very narrow pattern so not only were you going slow, but you were having to go over the same panel COUNTLESS times. ain: BUT, me personally, I like to paint fast that's why I loved satas.
--- I just sprayed a 94 4door
civic today... I really hate the HD purple gun I have lol... I was using a new clear today. It was a high solid clear, from klines auto. Their paint line...
I had to have the needle out almost all the way and the pressure at around 37 at the handle... I had to be like 3-4 inches from the panel and the overspray was horrid...
All I know is I have lots of wetsanding to do tomorrow...
I can't stress enough that a new gun has to be purchased before the next car I paint...
Hi there... this is my first post on this website. But reading this I just wanted to throw in a vote for the plus gun... it is a great gun at a good price. I actually have two of them. Yes it is a fast paced gun, but I like that. I can get around a car with out being so particular about it... It will lay out clear like glass... not it is a RP gun so you do get more of a cloud in the air when clearing... but you have to remember that the transfer efficiency is there. It has to be since it is approved to use in CA... If you ever have any questions on set up for the gun you can always feel free to give me a email and I would be happy to give anyone a hand.
I'm a Sata RP3000 guy but a buddy of mine who used to be die hard Sata now swears by his GFG+. his work is all no sand, no buff, just paint em rough. Smooth as glass right off the gun.
I'm a Sata RP3000 guy but a buddy of mine who used to be die hard Sata now swears by his GFG+. his work is all no sand, no buff, just paint em rough. Smooth as glass right off the gun.
there's a reason we advise getting a sata or iwata ect . your learning . it is much easier to bite the bullet and get a top shelf gun to learn with. reason ? because you will have to relearn every time you switch guns. many of the cheaper guns will give you solvent pop and a host of different problems . in most cases you are looking at 100 - 200 difference. tools are everything . without good quality tools all the talent in the world is useless.
Oh but by using an Iwata or Sata you're NOT going to get solvent pop? :drunk: That is OPERATOR error. You have to know your equipment AND materials. There is a HUGE difference between a Harbor Freight gun and a Sata or Iwata. Yes, THEN equipment makes a difference. BUT there IS NOT $250-300 worth of difference between a Sata and a Devilbis plus. I can guarantee he will make the SAME amount of money with either gun.
BUT there IS NOT $250-300 worth of difference between a Sata and a Devilbis plus. I can guarantee he will make the SAME amount of money with either gun.
I would have to agree with this statement. I have shot with a sata also... is it a good gun... Yes it is with out a doubt... but the Plus gun is a good gun also. Plus the parts are a lot cheaper if you ever need anything. I have had really good customer service if you ever need to call them for anything as well. Like I said the Sata is a great gun, I am sure the Iwata is as well. But my personal opinion, and let me restate my "opinion" is that the Plus gun is a great gun for the hobbyist. Not going to break the bank, but it is a quality product that will last you and give you good results.
underground. state your opinion without quoting people .
when trying to lay clear slick with a gun that does not atomize very well you can get excessive build. which can lead to pop and even delamination. just about every thread dealing with pop comes back to a cheaper gun and production clear applied too thick too fast. if you think your going to do this often and especially if you have any thoughts of doing it for a living get equipment that will help you and also save money. a cloud in the booth is money going up the stack.
I understand all of this. Like I said, I was a SATA guy till death a year ago. But you are basically stating that an IWATA or SATA are the ONLY guns out there. That is simply NOT true. I have used a plus at a production level and would put it against a SATA any day.
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