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Old 07-05-2007, 05:16 PM
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attempt to alter laws of physics plagued by "technical difficulties"

Recall Steorn, the company that we've discussed before? They are the ones who claim to have produced magnet-powered "free energy" with their "Orbo" invention, suitable for powering devices "ranging from portable music players to cars".

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Orbo produces free, clean and constant energy - that is our claim. By free we mean that the energy produced is done so without recourse to external source. By clean we mean that during operation the technology produces no emissions. By constant we mean that with the exception of mechanical failure the technology will continue to operate indefinitely.

The sum of these claims for our Orbo technology is a violation of the principle of conservation of energy, perhaps the most fundamental of scientific principles. The principle of the conservation of energy states that energy can neither be created or destroyed, it can only change form.
Steorn's universe-altering invention was supposed to be demo'ed today. But, unfortunately, there were some "technical difficulties" caused by "intense heat from the camera lighting". So, it looks like humanity is going to have to wait until Steorn fixes their cameras. Then, they should have no problem changing the fundamental laws of physics.

World's first free energy demonstration

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Old 07-05-2007, 07:40 PM
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Someones going to get something like this to actually work. I only hope I'm alive to see it.
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Dangit... they stole my idea! I have $20 down that I create unlimited power before they do.
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Must have been all that extraneous energy input that got poor Orbo all confused.
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Old 07-06-2007, 01:41 PM
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I built one of these things once, but as soon as I fired it up it sped off into deep space at an exponentially increasing rate of acceleration never to be seen again.

I couldn't get my camera up quick enough to get a snapshot and the dog ate the blueprints so I was never able to reproduce it.

Too bad.

Anyways I thought NXS had this one figured out already...

PS: Jon, the demonstration that you linked to seems to have hyper-accelerated off somewhere also.
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I didn't read the original claim but the excerpt you show states one of the laws of thermodynamics. If conservation of energy was the only law that pertained, then it would be conceivable to come up with some contraption that could transfer energy indefinitely. However even then it could do no useful work or it would be consumed. There is no such thing as free energy. I am assuming however that the 'inventors' stop there and ignore the second law (common mistake made by inventors of all perpetual motion machines/free energy devices/self propelling spaceships you name it). That law states that energy cannot be used, transferred, or otherwise manipulated without an increase in entropy. In English, this law means that even though energy is conserved, when it is transferred, there is a lost in usability of that energy. You burn 1 gallon of gasoline and get 1/4 gallon worth of work out of it. You consume 100watts of electricity and get 95 watts worth of light/power/ whatever from it. You bounce a rubber ball 10' high, the next bounce will be 9.9' high. Start a top spinning and it will eventually stop. Implications of these few simple laws are staggering and folks spend lifetimes working with applications of them. Of course they are pop culture favorites for disproving perpetual motion. But they are incredibly more expansive than that. For example, they prove the universe had a beginning and will have an end. It isn't infinite. They disprove spontaneous generation of life. They disprove evolution. And on, and on, and on.

Amazing how this science 101 basic principle is unknown. Either most people have not taken Jr. Hi science or more likely slept through it.
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Old 07-06-2007, 05:22 PM
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I didn't read the original claim but the excerpt you show states one of the laws of thermodynamics. If conservation of energy was the only law that pertained, then it would be conceivable to come up with some contraption that could transfer energy indefinitely. However even then it could do no useful work or it would be consumed. There is no such thing as free energy. I am assuming however that the 'inventors' stop there and ignore the second law (common mistake made by inventors of all perpetual motion machines/free energy devices/self propelling spaceships you name it). That law states that energy cannot be used, transferred, or otherwise manipulated without an increase in entropy. In English, this law means that even though energy is conserved, when it is transferred, there is a lost in usability of that energy. You burn 1 gallon of gasoline and get 1/4 gallon worth of work out of it. You consume 100watts of electricity and get 95 watts worth of light/power/ whatever from it. You bounce a rubber ball 10' high, the next bounce will be 9.9' high. Start a top spinning and it will eventually stop. Implications of these few simple laws are staggering and folks spend lifetimes working with applications of them. Of course they are pop culture favorites for disproving perpetual motion. But they are incredibly more expansive than that. For example, they prove the universe had a beginning and will have an end. It isn't infinite. They disprove spontaneous generation of life. They disprove evolution. And on, and on, and on.

Amazing how this science 101 basic principle is unknown. Either most people have not taken Jr. Hi science or more likely slept through it.
Willys, you take all the fun out of it...now if we could only devise a self powered gasser with no parasitic loss of energy that would feed itself in constantly increasing proportions that would be a hoot!

Seriously, I respect people that attempt to create new things, but they are going to have to do a better job of proving themselves than this. Who knows, maybe someday a way around the existing laws of physics will be discovered...so I hope people keep trying.
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Yes it would be fun and I would be the first to cheer. But if and when it happens, it won't be hampered by a couple 100W light bulbs at it's debut. If something like that worked, it would be moving continents or maybe readjusting the orbit of Jupiter, after it finished supplying the earth with infinite free energy.
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Kind of reminds me of Dehydrated H2O, just add water and stir.
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Yes it would be fun and I would be the first to cheer. But if and when it happens, it won't be hampered by a couple 100W light bulbs at it's debut. If something like that worked, it would be moving continents or maybe readjusting the orbit of Jupiter, after it finished supplying the earth with infinite free energy.
Well, we are always devising things that will undo us in the future...so who knows.

Imagine the consequences of readjusting the orbit of jupiter...after al it would probably end in our destruction, but hey; isn't that what science is all about: explanation with no regard to life?
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I have fitted Surefire Lightening spark plugs which guarantee 20% more miles to the gallon.

I have fitted the G-Force exhaust extractor which guarantee 15% more miles to the gallon.

I have fitted a magical thing into my fuel line which converts regular Gas into Rocket Fuel and guarantee 25% more miles to the gallon.

I have put Molyslip additives into my engine/gearbox oil which reduces friction and guarantee 20% more miles to the gallon.

I have fitted electronic ignition and fuel injection which guarantee 25% more miles to the gallon.

Can anyone tell me why my fuel tank does not overflow every 60 miles.
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Old 07-07-2007, 05:23 PM
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I have fitted Surefire Lightening spark plugs which guarantee 20% more miles to the gallon.

I have fitted the G-Force exhaust extractor which guarantee 15% more miles to the gallon.

I have fitted a magical thing into my fuel line which converts regular Gas into Rocket Fuel and guarantee 25% more miles to the gallon.

I have put Molyslip additives into my engine/gearbox oil which reduces friction and guarantee 20% more miles to the gallon.

I have fitted electronic ignition and fuel injection which guarantee 25% more miles to the gallon.

Can anyone tell me why my fuel tank does not overflow every 60 miles.

Doc here,

SIMPLE..

It's that Steorm "Orbo" Pressure Sealed Gas Cap your using...

Without that..you'd suffer perpetual motion overflow...what a mess the highway system would be..

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I have fitted Surefire Lightening spark plugs which guarantee 20% more miles to the gallon.

I have fitted the G-Force exhaust extractor which guarantee 15% more miles to the gallon.

I have fitted a magical thing into my fuel line which converts regular Gas into Rocket Fuel and guarantee 25% more miles to the gallon.

I have put Molyslip additives into my engine/gearbox oil which reduces friction and guarantee 20% more miles to the gallon.

I have fitted electronic ignition and fuel injection which guarantee 25% more miles to the gallon.

Can anyone tell me why my fuel tank does not overflow every 60 miles.
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This kinda reminds me of the old "you can't get there from here" argument. First you have to go half way, then half way again, then half way again, ad infinitum.
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