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Old 04-08-2008, 05:32 PM
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Auto to manual conversion

My Son and I pulled off a great conversion on 1987 El Camino. I want to hook up the neutral safety switch. The purple ignition wire for the solenoid is a 10awg. It just seems to big to direct to the switch. I can't seem to find out what the switch is rated for. Anyone have experience with this?

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I just omitted that system when i did the swap in my Monte Carlo. hasn't give me any trouble.
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I could live with omitting the switch. My Son is going to be 18 next month. If he hurts someone, him self or his car I couldn't live with it.
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Omitting the neutral safety switch/ clutch cut out switch is illegal, it is a safety feature and they were/ are federally mandated.

just use the same wires that the automatic NSS switch used. don't forget to wire up the reverse light switch also. in most cases on a colum shift auto, that switch is also part of the NSS, so just extend and use those wires also.

if you insist on using your own wiring, just intergrate a Ford starter solonoid in. that solonoid takes a small current to activate. provide a power source from the batt, then
run a 10 ga wire from the other side, to the Chevy solonoid.
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I could live with omitting the switch. My Son is going to be 18 next month. If he hurts someone, him self or his car I couldn't live with it.
not only that, if the car was in an accident and the inshurance company found out it had a disabled safety system.. they would refuse any claims on that car and drop the insurance..
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Thank you Matt. Back up lights work fine. I made a bracket for the 63-68 Muncie M21 and found a switch that works great. I did try what I thought was the NSS switch located just below the ignition switch on the top side of the steering column. Or/blk wire & blk/wht wire. I have an open circuit there on the lock cylinders start position and assumed it was closed by a mechanical movement in the automatic shifter lever. Maybe I am overlooking a bad fuse or something?
hmmm come to think of it. this weekend I did see the test light come on once for about a second. But the bulb didn't light up. It just started to glow for a second and faded out.

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That car should have a clutch switch on it somewhere near the clutch pedal.

Might be able to get one from a late seventies early 80s Camaro /F-Bird

I have a Tremec in my 59 (and now in my 66) elky. wired so it will only start in neutral.
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The switch on the colum will be useless w/ the manual trans. anyway, just for an FYI it should be half moon in shape, there is a lever that comes out of the colum and pushes on a peg on the switch.. all the switch does is cut power to the starter in every position other than park and neutral, and in some cases, runs the backup lights..

As bryan said, you need a clutch cut out switch wired. if you cannot find anything that will work, you could rig up a universal mechanical brake light switch to work.
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By george I think I got it!

Matt,
Thanks again for the post. I finally got access to Mitchel on demand at work. The column shift models use a mechanical interface type NSS. It's a wedged shaped finger, attached to the ignition switch actuator rod It just blocks the movement of the switch to start position in all the shift positions except neutral and park. So I found a lever type switch rated for 30A that I can break the 10awg Purple start wire and run to it. This week end I think I can find enough time to find a way to mount it behind the clutch pedal arm so that it will be reliable. What do you think?

PS I was looking for a 14-16awg electrical solution in the beginning. I just assumed that an automatic would have the same type NSS system as a factory manual trans car. What was I thinking...

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